[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Not happy with the Liberals right now--they shouldn't have backed C-51. Glad they opposed the ISIS extension though. That's got mission creep written all over it.

Probably the best thing to hope for in the next election is a minority govt, conservative I guess. That's certainly how I plan to vote.

[2Cdo]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

Yes I agree, Martin would make a great Albertan, so would 2Cdo, welcome anytime.

I lived in Edmonton and Calgary back in the 80's and presently work out of Grande Prairie.

Just trying to sell a house in Liberal run Ontario where the market is horrible.

The market is horrible?

The real estate market in Southern Ontario is flippin' awesome right now.

Not in South-Eastern Ontario.

[Thanos]

Flaws and all that we have out here it's probably not a bad idea to bail on a place with a $250 billion debt for one that's only $15 billion in debt.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

No, it's wait and see what everyone offers and make a decision then, not do it now before the election is even called.

But that's not what you said:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Fuck no, but at this point, why not take a chance and give them 4 years? If they totally fuck it up then we vote their asses out in 2020.

It looks like you've already made your decision. Just give the other guys a chance and if they fuck up, it's ok....cause we can vote them out in 4 years and deal with any damage to the Province at that time.

You take aim at people like Thanos for being the 'problem' when maybe it's people like you with the "give them a chance' mentality for people to manage billions of your tax dollars that's the problem.

If you knew anything at all about Alberta, you'd know that the NDP and Liberals have almost no chance of forming a government - hell the Leafs will probably win the Cup before that ever happens.

But if the Wildrose showed us anything, it's the value of a strong opposition.

The only choice I've made is that it won't be PC - and that is largely based on the budget they just tabled. I really liked Prentice when he first got here, but the last 6 months have made me realize he isn't the answer to our problems.

Who is?

I honestly don't know right now, but I'll make my decision AFTER the writ is dropped, not before it like so many other voters here.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'll make my decision AFTER the writ is dropped, not before it like so many other voters here.

How can you make a decision about a party/budget before you even see what the other guys will offer?

You've made your decision before hand, just like those you criticise.

Conservatives and Liberals alike have their voting tendencies, and you happen to live in a Conservative-leaning Province and we in Ontario have a very Liberal-leaning Province.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'll make my decision AFTER the writ is dropped, not before it like so many other voters here.

How can you make a decision about a party/budget before you even see what the other guys will offer?

You've made your decision before hand, just like those you criticise.

Conservatives and Liberals alike have their voting tendencies, and you happen to live in a Conservative-leaning Province and we in Ontario have a very Liberal-leaning Province.

So I should automatically vote for a party even though I don't like their budget (which will be the basis of their platform)? Spoken like a true kool-aid drinker.

Just because I voted PC in the last two elections doesn't mean they automatically get my vote this time around.

That's what kool-aid drinkers like yourself do - me, I'm waiting to hear what the other party's platforms are before I make a decision on who to vote for.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

So I should automatically vote for a party even though I don't like their budget (which will be the basis of their platform)? Spoken like a true kool-aid drinker.

No, you should wait until everyone has their budget and platform out before you rule anyone out.

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's what kool-aid drinkers like yourself do - me, I'm waiting to hear what the other party's platforms are before I make a decision on who to vote for.

For the last 10 years, I've been saying that voters all need to be more informed before they hit the ballot box. Spare me the "kool-aid" BS.

I'm not the one writing-off a party before I even see what the others do, I'll leave that to voters like you.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

So I should automatically vote for a party even though I don't like their budget (which will be the basis of their platform)? Spoken like a true kool-aid drinker.

No, you should wait until everyone has their budget and platform out before you rule anyone out.

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's what kool-aid drinkers like yourself do - me, I'm waiting to hear what the other party's platforms are before I make a decision on who to vote for.

For the last 10 years, I've been saying that voters all need to be more informed before they hit the ballot box. Spare me the "kool-aid" BS.

I'm not the one writing-off a party before I even see what the others do, I'll leave that to voters like you.

That's right, even though I hate one of the party's platforms, I should still give them every possible chance to win my vote - like I said, spoken like a true kool-aid drinker.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's right, even though I hate one of the party's platforms, I should still give them every possible chance to win my vote - like I said, spoken like a true kool-aid drinker.

You just don't get it.

Your attempt to be funny, with the Koolaid references just shows that you're completely willing to ignore everything I've said about voters over the last decade in order to make a pathetic attempt at a jab that makes no sense at all.

No voter should make a decision on who to vote for until everything is released from all parties. If you think that makes me a "Koolaid drinker" that just shows how out of touch and hypocritical you really are.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Not happy with the Liberals right now--they shouldn't have backed C-51. Glad they opposed the ISIS extension though. That's got mission creep written all over it.

Probably the best thing to hope for in the next election is a minority govt, conservative I guess. That's certainly how I plan to vote.

Actually, not a bad scenario. I like Liberal policies more than NDP ones, but I like Mulcair more than Trudeau.

[andyt]

I was thinking a conservative minority government. Keep them in check. A lib or dip minority govt could be a bit of an unholy alliance. Although I must say, I'd even take a coalition over another conservative majority - Harper is just too dangerous without restraints.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

I was thinking a conservative minority government. Keep them in check. A lib or dip minority govt could be a bit of an unholy alliance. Although I must say, I'd even take a coalition over another conservative majority - Harper is just too dangerous without restraints.

Agreed. With a minority government they'd probably turf Harper anyways. I can't see the COnservatives getting a majority. Too long in power, and tanking oil prices aren't helping.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Agreed. With a minority government they'd probably turf Harper anyways.

There's plenty more where he came from, some even worse. The question is if he goes, will the PC's stand up and quit following the Reforms. The birth if a true Conservative party, like we used to have, instead of this imitation of the US Republicons, would be very very good for the country.

You realize of course that we're off topic here, so must be getting time for Regina et al to join in and start flinging shit at me.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

I was thinking a conservative minority government. Keep them in check. A lib or dip minority govt could be a bit of an unholy alliance. Although I must say, I'd even take a coalition over another conservative majority - Harper is just too dangerous without restraints.

To dangerous?

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Agreed. With a minority government they'd probably turf Harper anyways.

There's plenty more where he came from, some even worse. The question is if he goes, will the PC's stand up and quit following the Reforms. The birth if a true Conservative party, like we used to have, instead of this imitation of the US Republicons, would be very very good for the country.

You realize of course that we're off topic here, so must be getting time for Regina et al to join in and start flinging shit at me.

Who gives a fuck about the topic. Frankly, if the topic isn't me, it's boring.

The pickings are slim after Harper. That's the trouble with throwing anyone under the bus who gets too close to you--you consolidate your power but it will devolve into fiefdoms when you're gone.