[TheFonz]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Spin however you want, you were ridiculing Christianity.

Bull**** I was, South Park, now THOSE guys ridicule Christianity.

$1:

As for you're demand I answer you're question, see above.

You were the one who engaged in the thread, so why play the NOYB card?

$1:

Oh, and you're still the dummy on this thread.

Awesome, let's get into a "I know you are but what am I" exchange.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

This is a open forum where people can voice their concerns, this is a concern of mine.

Concern and drama noted. Question still unanswered.

Also noted.

I have noted that no matter what I say, you will continue to hound me for answers which I have already given. So I have given up, you win! 10,000 internets for you! People should be able to practice any religion they want, regardless if their beliefs are proven false. If they wish to live in a fantasy world they should.

[2Cdo]

TheFonz TheFonz:

Bull**** I was, South Park, now THOSE guys ridicule Christianity.

$1:

You were the one who engaged in the thread, so why play the NOYB card?

Because it is none of your business.

$1:

Awesome, let's get into a "I know you are but what am I" exchange.

Calling you a dummy is not a "I know you are but what am I" exchange. it is a statement. It became the exchange you make fun of when you repled,

$1:

Now whose the dummy that's assuming,

See, you're too stupid to even know that you're stupid.

[Canadian_Mind]

Gunnair Gunnair:

But do you, as GF has stated, suggest that these people be denied the right to have these beliefs?

I didn't get the impression he was suggesting that at all. I might have missed something, but if your cocern is the same post he already pointed out, then again I agree with him. We shouldn't allow burning people to death because others believe they are witches, and we shouldn't be institutionalising a belief system that is slowly being proven false. Science and religion were never meant to cross, and since the 16-1700s we've managed to embrace that concept. That is what lead to the many marvels of the 20th century. Institutionalising religious beliefs will start to erode at that progress, and potentially even reverse it in time.

People have a right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't always have a right to act upon it. Religion belongs in the home, in the church, and on the streets. Not in the classrooms, labratories, and research halls of the 21st century.

[Gunnair]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Gunnair Gunnair:

But do you, as GF has stated, suggest that these people be denied the right to have these beliefs?

I didn't get the impression he was suggesting that at all. I might have missed something, but if your cocern is the same post he already pointed out, then again I agree with him. We shouldn't allow burning people to death because others believe they are witches, and we shouldn't be institutionalising a belief system that is slowly being proven false. Science and religion were never meant to cross, and since the 16-1700s we've managed to embrace that concept. That is what lead to the many marvels of the 20th century. Institutionalising religious beliefs will start to erode at that progress, and potentially even reverse it in time.

People have a right to believe what they want, but they shouldn't always have a right to act upon it. Religion belongs in the home, in the church, and on the streets. Not in the classrooms, labratories, and research halls of the 21st century.

I think resurrecting the whole witch trials in 2012 to make points is poor at best and reveals that there is little real evidence to back up these concerns.

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

This is a open forum where people can voice their concerns, this is a concern of mine.

Concern and drama noted. Question still unanswered.

Also noted.

I have noted that no matter what I say, you will continue to hound me for answers which I have already given. So I have given up, you win! 10,000 internets for you! People should be able to practice any religion they want, regardless if their beliefs are proven false. If they wish to live in a fantasy world they should.

Right until the end you will ridicule those who have religious beliefs and try and hide it under a blanket of more noble concerns.

Yes, as long as you want to ridicule beliefs, I will hound you for it.

Freedom runs both ways.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Noted, you will troll atheists until they just give up talking to you. Good to see you are open to frank discussions.

[Guy_Fawkes]

To those who do care or are interested in the point I am trying to make:

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Noted, you will troll atheists until they just give up talking to you. Good to see you are open to frank discussions.

Noted, you will pout - copiously - when the sermons you deliver fall on deaf ears and cry 'TROLL!' when someone doesn't buy into your own narrow mindset.

Apparently frank discussions frighten you because you really don't handle it well when someone talks to you frankly and opts not to pat you on the back for the ridicule you offer a group of people who don't share your groupthink.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

I am concerned that such a high majority of the population in the US sees something which science has proven to be wrong as fact.

Science has proven that the Big Bang was not an Act of Creation....really? Even the Catholic Church accepts evolution as fact, yet it doesn't seem to interfere with their belief in a Creator. I'd like to see this evidence 'science' has.

Google Jesuit scientists and Roman Catholic cleric scientists.

[Canadian_Mind]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I think resurrecting the whole witch trials in 2012 to make points is poor at best and reveals that there is little real evidence to back up these concerns.

I'm trying to say replacing studied scientific fact in classrooms and scientific institutions with religious hyperbole, much like creationists in the US are trying to do, is just as wrong and detrimental as the witch hunts were back in the 18th and 19th century. How is that an invalid argument?

[Guy_Fawkes]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

I am concerned that such a high majority of the population in the US sees something which science has proven to be wrong as fact.

Science has proven that the Big Bang was not an Act of Creation....really? Even the Catholic Church accepts evolution as fact, yet it doesn't seem to interfere with their belief in a Creator. I'd like to see this evidence 'science' has.

Google Jesuit scientists and Roman Catholic cleric scientists.

When did the big bang come into this?

[Gunnair]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I think resurrecting the whole witch trials in 2012 to make points is poor at best and reveals that there is little real evidence to back up these concerns.

I'm trying to say replacing studied scientific fact in classrooms and scientific institutions with religious hyperbole, much like creationists in the US are trying to do, is just as wrong and detrimental as the witch hunts were back in the 18th and 19th century. How is that an invalid argument?

Well you're using a 300 year old event as your example for your concerns with religion making its way into the classroom.

So, how is the religious persecution and execution of suspected witches by 300 year old religious extremists comparable to creationism in the classroom?

It doesn't - anymore than citing the Holocaust as an example of the Quebec government crackdown on students.

Creationism in the classroom in 2012 will not result in young girls being accused of witchcraft and tortured then executed.

[ShepherdsDog]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

$1:

I am concerned that such a high majority of the population in the US sees something which science has proven to be wrong as fact.

Science has proven that the Big Bang was not an Act of Creation....really? Even the Catholic Church accepts evolution as fact, yet it doesn't seem to interfere with their belief in a Creator. I'd like to see this evidence 'science' has.

Google Jesuit scientists and Roman Catholic cleric scientists.

When did the big bang come into this?

Your original post, and the fact that you you ridiculed people who believe the universe was created by a deity. You claimed that the scientific progress of America was threatened by the fact that people believe the Universe was created.

[Guy_Fawkes]

I did nothing of the sort, in fact in one of my posts I say evolution can involve a creator.

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

50 years ago the evidence for evolution was not as strong as it is today. For a learned scientist to ignore genetic proof, fossil records, carbon dating, and actual observations of the diversion of one species into two, is just staggering to me. With that said, it is just as unnerving to see the majority of a country to see myths as real and evidence as fiction.

Not sure here how what beliefs they hold could be any of your business. Maybe you should just mind your own instead of dreaming for a mass conversion.

Dont know why you think I want people to forsake their belief in God. It is very easy to hold a belief that God started life, but that we still evolved from that instance of unicellular creation. Maybe you should stop assuming that every Atheist wants to eradicate theistic beliefs.

I claim scientific progress could be threatened when people take what has been established as fact, by an overwhelming majority of the scientific community, and toss it out as balderdash because they feel it is not compatible with their religious views.