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[quote="BrendaI don't think he is saying that at all.
I think that what he is saying that as long as a baby cannot survive on it's own outside the womb, it is not a living being. Which means till around week 22 of pregnancy.[/quote]


Thank you Brenda you are certainly more articulate than I am.

Andy, Brenda explains it better than I do. But I do not support partial birth abortions I am just saying in response to this article that a living being is one that has the ability to survive outside the womb. I apologize if this caused confusion .

[MaineUSAGuy]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

It seems, almost daily, that the USA is getting nuttier and nuttier.

This is happening in the South not Washington.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Your House of Representatives voted 396-9 in favor of reaffirming your, in my opinion, nutty national motto. At least those from the south voted down their proposed legislation.

[GreenTiger]

andyt andyt:

jeff744 jeff744:

I never really understood the need for large scale abortion in the first place. With the rare exceptions of rape or endangering the life of the mother all of them can easily be prevented by simply not having sex until ready to deal with the consequences or using the proper protection.

That's certainly the ideal. But contraception fails, and people do get careless. So what do you want to do, force women in those cases to carry the child to term?

That is about it. I was raised in a religion where birth control was considered murder and abortion was well one step beyond that. We live in a modern world though. Well guess what there were a lot of back alley abortions going on where women often ended up dying from infection and just plain butchery even within the Roman Catholic community.


I can understand that some people are against abortion and they may be right on a moral scale, but in this world abortion is going to occur.

True better birth control practices can very sharply reduce abortion rates, but abortion will continue legal or illegal. Keep it legal and keep it safe. Apparently that is what the folks in Mississippi have chosen.

[Public_Domain]

[MacDonaill]

In Canada, legal personality begins when the child is born living and viable. Before that time, in civil law, the child has no legal rights.

In Dobson v. Dobson, a husband tried to sue his wife in the name of their child who was born with handicaps because of a car accident which the mother had been responsible for while she was still pregnant with the child. The husband lost, because the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that a child cannot sue his mother for negligence occurring while the child was in utero. During this period, the mother and child are basically considered as the same physical person and a person cannot sue himself.

However, a third-person can be sued in Canada for damages inflicted on an unborn child if the child eventually is born living and viable (see the Montreal Tramways case).

As for corporations, they are considered "moral persons", which is not the same thing as a physical person. Moral persons (corporations) only have patrimonial rights (rights with an economic value, such as the right to sell something and to collect payment for it, the right to own property, etc.) because they are the collective property of individuals. They don't have extra-patrimonial rights (such as the right to vote or freedom of religion) because these rights are reserved to physical persons.

So though it is technically correct to say that corporations are people, it is intentionally misleading and it is a shock tactic used by the far left to incense the uninformed.

[DanSC]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Fertilized eggs and corporations are people huh...

What next? Can my toaster be a person too?

Can my cat be a person? Unlike the above it actually has a pulse...

I don't believe that corporations are people, but if an organism has human genetic code, then yes, it is a person. I just think the mother has the right to kill of that person while she's carrying it.

[MacDonaill]

DanSC DanSC:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Fertilized eggs and corporations are people huh...

What next? Can my toaster be a person too?

Can my cat be a person? Unlike the above it actually has a pulse...

I don't believe that corporations are people, but if an organism has human genetic code, then yes, it is a person. I just think the mother has the right to kill of that person while she's carrying it.

It is not a person. It's a living thing (only thanks to the mother, for whom it is basically a parasite until it is able to be born living and viable).

'Person' is a moral concept and what constitutes a person is essentially a philosophical debate. Science can help us in that debate but the concept of 'person' has no scientific definition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person

If you choose to call a zygote or a foetus a person, that's your business but 'science' has no official position on what is a 'person' and what is not.

Human DNA is present in all our living cells. Spermatozoa have human DNA, but they are not people.