[PublicAnimalNo9]

Astounding! Barely half a week after the election and the official Opposition's 2nd in command is already enjoying home-made toe jam.
This could be a fun 4 years to watch

[Bodah]

Proculation Proculation:

BTW, that's the girl who ousted Minister Josée Verner:

My god, I have socks in my drawer that are older than some of these people.

[Zipperfish]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

WMD. That's game, set and match (to stick with the sports analogy) in three letters.

What does this have to do with Canada and/or the NDP deputy leader making an ass of himself?

Well, Grasshopper, the path to wisdom is to follow the previous posts to establish context.

[Zipperfish]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Not really much to worry about when you throw your support behind a 3rd rate party without any expectations they'll do anything.

Exactly. Plus, you know there's going to be a high entertainment value. Win-win really.

[commanderkai]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, Grasshopper, the path to wisdom is to follow the previous posts to establish context.

"But the conservatives did it too!"?

I didn't realize that people's idiotic comments can be ignored because individuals of an opposing viewpoint 7-8 years ago made an error in judgment.

Now surely, Zip, you would not believe such a thing.

[raydan]

They have the chance to make something good out of this, or really screw it up, their choice. If anybody thinks they won't make any mistakes, well... are you fucking nuts?

I have a question... what happens if they figure out that an elected NDP MP really, really, really shouldn't be there... that they tried to get on board with the NDP program, but that person won't?

They can kick them out, but that person can't lose his/her seat. He becomes an independant, I guess, and the NDP loses a seat. I'm figuring they may have to come to this.

[andyt]

I think the body of Tommy Douglas doesn't really exist. There, I said it.

[billypilgrim]

holy moly. nice way to kick things off, mulcair.

[Zipperfish]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, Grasshopper, the path to wisdom is to follow the previous posts to establish context.

"But the conservatives did it too!"?

I didn't realize that people's idiotic comments can be ignored because individuals of an opposing viewpoint 7-8 years ago made an error in judgment.

Now surely, Zip, you would not believe such a thing.

No I don't think I was trying to say that at all. Again, if you follow the thread, there was discussion about the government lying. Then someone posted a video of Bill Clinton re: the Monica Lewinski business as evidence that the president can, indeed, lie. And then Lemmy pointed out that Clinton's lie was in reference to a private affair, not a military action of international implications, implying that the US would not overtly lie about something like that, to which I brought the fact that they Beorge Bush and Tony Blair lied about WMD--which was concerned wiht military action of interantional implications. Phew! Exhale.

I suppose you could argue that WMD was an "error in judgment" as opposed to lie. It owuld be a pretty weak argument, based on the evidence, but even so I can think of several other examples where governments have lied in regards to international military actions. Actually, I would argue that governemnt is more likely to lie in war than at other times, thus the old saw that, in any war, the first casualty is the truth.

[-Wario-]

USA releases confirmation of bin laden at sea burial

[DerbyX]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, Grasshopper, the path to wisdom is to follow the previous posts to establish context.

"But the conservatives did it too!"?

I didn't realize that people's idiotic comments can be ignored because individuals of an opposing viewpoint 7-8 years ago made an error in judgment.

Now surely, Zip, you would not believe such a thing.

No I don't think I was trying to say that at all. Again, if you follow the thread, there was discussion about the government lying. Then someone posted a video of Bill Clinton re: the Monica Lewinski business as evidence that the president can, indeed, lie. And then Lemmy pointed out that Clinton's lie was in reference to a private affair, not a military action of international implications, implying that the US would not overtly lie about something like that, to which I brought the fact that they Beorge Bush and Tony Blair lied about WMD--which was concerned wiht military action of interantional implications. Phew! Exhale.

I suppose you could argue that WMD was an "error in judgment" as opposed to lie. It owuld be a pretty weak argument, based on the evidence, but even so I can think of several other examples where governments have lied in regards to international military actions. Actually, I would argue that governemnt is more likely to lie in war than at other times, thus the old saw that, in any war, the first casualty is the truth.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/ndps-mulcair-e ... 41012.html

$1:

The NDP's Quebec lieutenant landed in hot water Wednesday when he told CBC's Power & Politics with Evan Solomon that he doesn't believe photos exist of bin Laden following his killing by U.S. forces on Sunday in Pakistan.

"I don't think, from what I've heard, that those pictures exist and if they do I'll leave that up to the American military," he told host Evan Solomon Wednesday.

On Thursday morning, Mulcair said the context of the conversation had been lost, and that he was referring to whether a photo of Osama Bin Laden reaching for his gun exists or not.

Far from being a conspiracy theorists anyway. Seems the right is getting their panties in a bunch over nothing again.

[commanderkai]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

No I don't think I was trying to say that at all. Again, if you follow the thread, there was discussion about the government lying. Then someone posted a video of Bill Clinton re: the Monica Lewinski business as evidence that the president can, indeed, lie. And then Lemmy pointed out that Clinton's lie was in reference to a private affair, not a military action of international implications, implying that the US would not overtly lie about something like that, to which I brought the fact that they Beorge Bush and Tony Blair lied about WMD--which was concerned wiht military action of interantional implications. Phew! Exhale.

I suppose you could argue that WMD was an "error in judgment" as opposed to lie. It owuld be a pretty weak argument, based on the evidence, but even so I can think of several other examples where governments have lied in regards to international military actions. Actually, I would argue that governemnt is more likely to lie in war than at other times, thus the old saw that, in any war, the first casualty is the truth.

Ahh, I see. Sorry, not quoting Lemmy made it sound like you were doing the whole "Oh but blah blah blah did it too!" bullshit over the actual NDP deputy leader's comments, specifically because of the first sentence you stated:

"I voted NDP, and I'm not so worried about about the glitches that are going to come acorss the first little while."

Of course I can believe that politicians will lie over major military/foreign affairs issues. I find that to be a status quo in politics, just was confused to who you were addressing exactly. My apologies.

[Bodah]

DerbyX DerbyX:

$1:

On Thursday morning, Mulcair said the context of the conversation had been lost, and that he was referring to whether a photo of Osama Bin Laden reaching for his gun exists or not.

Far from being a conspiracy theorists anyway. Seems the right is getting their panties in a bunch over nothing again.

Bullshit. He, we all know exactly what they were talking about photo of his corpse, period.

$1:

Obama said he has seen photos of bin Laden's corpse but releasing those photos would be akin to peddling gruesome trophies. Mulcair was doubtful.

"I don't think from what I've heard that those pictures exist," Mulcair said during an appearance on Power and Politics.

He is saying Obama is a liar , makes him a truther. The NDP is full of truthers. Whats wrong I thought you guys loved Obama ?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Far from being a conspiracy theorists anyway. Seems the right is getting their panties in a bunch over nothing again.

The CBC changed to the right? Seems they're playing games with their headlines again though.
Doubting if photos exist of him drawing or going for a weapon isn't a big deal.
I'm pretty sure in that circumstance the first instinct would be to shoot, and I don't mean a photo.
But the way the CBC has reported this, is sounds like these are 2 different issues and that he also doesn't believe there are any pics of him at all.
So, we're left with 2 possibilties here. Either he doesn't believe ANY photos exist, or your comment about the right and their panties is just more partisan hackery if it's the CBC intentionally playing with the story.

[Zipperfish]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Ahh, I see. Sorry, not quoting Lemmy made it sound like you were doing the whole "Oh but blah blah blah did it too!" bullshit over the actual NDP deputy leader's comments, specifically because of the first sentence you stated:

"I voted NDP, and I'm not so worried about about the glitches that are going to come acorss the first little while."

Of course I can believe that politicians will lie over major military/foreign affairs issues. I find that to be a status quo in politics, just was confused to who you were addressing exactly. My apologies.

No need for apologies. And if i ever pull the "conservatives did it too" line I expect to be called on it!