[uwish]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

uwish uwish:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You can't really blame the OPP. They will get zero support from McGuinty so why put their necks out.

Ipperwash.

i do understand some of the political issues however, laws are laws regardless of what politician, party or popular support is current in the province. Like I said, if that was a white community there would be hell to pay. I expect police to treat people equally under the law. I even see where some groups may get greater latitude and I understand that however, this is just not acceptable and in my opinion things like this violate the oath police take.

I kind of agree but the Constable's oath doesn't preclude following lawful orders.
They left under such orders.

The rank and file of the OPP are probably as frustrated as any other citizen with Caledonia et al.

Ipperwash was a lesson to all cops, including the Commissioner of the OPP. It said that politics trumps common sense and the laws of Canada.

The OPP were made scapegoats at Ipperwash and that was a lesson well learned by the police brass in Ontario. As in don’t enforce the laws of the land if it interferes with politically sensitive issues.

First Nations, Tamils running on the Gardner, telling people they can’t smash windows in Toronto during the G20, the list goes on.

No Canadian politician has the balls to stand up to the First Nations or any other agitator so why would any cop not heed those lessons learned the hard way?

agreed. It's a shitty situation for everyone, that being said, the next time a 'white' community gets the baton or tear gas, they have the right to say fowl. You can not pick and choose what to enforce. The only caveat to that, is police have the option of not laying a charge IF THEY ARE MORALLY OPPOSED to it. I think you would be hard pressed to find any rank and file cop who is not morally opposed to getting hit with debris!

[PJB]

This is getting ridiculous already, if the natives hate us so badly then let's pull out everything. Give then the lands, but make sure we blow up the roads and cut the power when we leave. I am sick and tired of being blamed for things that I had no participation in and I am sick and tired of having 9, 10, and 11 year old native kids blaming me for their role so far as their parents are out and about doing whatever the hell they think they are entitled to do.

Canadians it is time to take Canada back!

[ShepherdsDog]

...and definitely no KFC or pop. That'll bring them back to the table quicker than anything.

[desertdude]

Dayum and I thought such shit only happened in places like the mountainous tribal regions of pakistan and afghanistan !

Just goes to show put any man in the same circumstances and they will behave in the exact same way.

Replace the word native and Ontario and put in Waziristan and Pashtun tribesman and you have story which would fit in seamlessly well with the dailies there.

Only difference is they would shoot first and ask question later, maybe only because the Natives are not openly allowed to carry AK 47's and RPG's ...or are they ?

[Guy_Fawkes]

desertdude desertdude:

Just goes to show put any man in the same circumstances and they will behave in the exact same way.

If/when you ever get here DD, you'll see why your statement is incorrect.

[ShepherdsDog]

He'll be just another white guy(who's had a little more sun) oppressing them and who owes them money .....a cowboy that rides a camel rather than a horse.

[EyeBrock]

I remember when I first went to Goose Bay and the Innu were cutting holes in the airbase fence and running onto the runway.

We all wondered why the CF MP's didn't lock them up or shoot them. They put them on buses, fed them, gave them juice and drove them back to Shesashit. Then they did it all again the next day.

I'd done gate guard at RAF Greenham Common prior to being posted to YYR. We had been issued live ammo and those evil dykes were not breaching that fence.

It seems it’s ok to enforce the law on the Anglos but not on the Natives, Tamils or anybody else in Canada and it goes back a long way now.

[desertdude]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

desertdude desertdude:

Just goes to show put any man in the same circumstances and they will behave in the exact same way.

If/when you ever get here DD, you'll see why your statement is incorrect.

I don't see how the tribals out there in pakistan and afganistan have a lot of similarities according to this story. Community living in isolation by choice mostly cut off from the rest. uneducated, Deep resentment of foreigners ( that means anyone who's not from their clan or tribe ) Resentment, no regard and no fear of authority. Live or atleast want to live by their set of laws. Not really welcomed outside of their areas for obviuous reasons

Although they don't live on the dole are much more lawless and violent crime laden. etc etc.

[EyeBrock]

You need to see it over here DD. It's a very different issue than tribal badlands in Pak or Afghanistan.

It has more to do with political correctness and guilt than anything else.

[desertdude]

Ah yes that's another issue, no one is bending over backwards to appease those mountain people. Infact they are always being invited to be part of larger pakistan but they resist and no one in general population really cares.

The army recently lead a military campaign into the area to cleanse and gain back control of some of those areas, can't see that happening in Canada though.

Guess its the guility card being played by the Natives for being driven off their lands just as Israel has been playing the holocaust sympathy card and the Middle east the Crusade card.

Its about time people let go of what happened in the past, let go of their guilt and deal with the now and how it stands today. The natives were dealt a bad hand but thats been done with and nothing can change that. Need to accept they are now part of Canada a place many would give their left testicle to be part of. They could have done much worse than that.

What is the real issue with these Natives anyways. Why not embrace Canada and their situation and have best of both the worlds. They have their reserves no one wants to take those away ( or do they ) and incorporate that with the perks of being canadian. Like better hospitals, roads, schools, broadband etc etc. I don't see how one cannot live in the now and in Canada while keeping their cultural identity intact, be it Natives, Chinese, Arabs, Muslims etc etc or maybe I'm just too much of an optimist ?

[EyeBrock]

Its not even that simple.

The main shit-disturbers in Ontario, the Mohawks, came to Canada with the British and Loyalist Americans after the Revolutionary War.

They were given land grants in the same way the whites were for services to the Crown. Both the Mohawks and whites eventually sold those lands over time. Now the Mohawks want them back. The descendants of the whites who sold their lands have no such claim.

[Dragom]

Natives have a a curious not Canadian status within Canada.

And I'm sure it sounds worse then it is.

[QBall]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I remember when I first went to Goose Bay and the Innu were cutting holes in the airbase fence and running onto the runway.

We all wondered why the CF MP's didn't lock them up or shoot them. They put them on buses, fed them, gave them juice and drove them back to Shesashit. Then they did it all again the next day.

So...they cut holes in the fence and ran onto the runways in order to get a free meal and a bus ride?

[EyeBrock]

Apparently they were demonstrating against their land being taken from them. Even though they were a nomadic nation.

I don't know how you take land from nomads.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Apparently they were demonstrating against their land being taken from them. Even though they were a nomadic nation.

I don't know how you take land from nomads.

They were nomads within a defined geographic territory. That would have been recognized by other tribes in the area or led to war. There is no question we came in and occupied land they were using to sustain their nomadic lifestyle. The question is what to do about it. We're here and we're not going anywhere. Even the natives wouldn't know how to go back to a hunter gather lifestyle, nor would most of them want to. So it's time for them to adapt, live the way the majority of Canadians live and join the 21st century.