CKA Forums
Login 
canadian forums
bottom
 
 
Canadian Forums

Author Topic Options
Offline
Forum Super Elite
Forum Super Elite
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 2218
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:03 am
 


Dayseed Dayseed:
HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
I look at this as another example of why cops need to be watched by an outside agency as i pointed out, it's become clear that the 'one bad apple' excuse' has worn thin.


You didn't point out anything. You said that the watchdog needed to be comprised of non-police that were sworn in as police but not so policey that they can't be trusted not to police the police without becoming police but they can learn all about the police, while not being police themselves, just non-police in the police so the police are adequately policed by the non-police.

Then, after that feat, you criminally extorted children, trampled constitutional rights, toothlessly threatened the banks and violated confidences recognized by the Supreme Court.

Is that what you meant?



What i said is a broad made of of civilians , with no one with a police background either current or retired. This article highlights the need for such a board. Once a gain we see a cop being given a free pass as opposed ro facing prosecution for breaking the law.

And i 'extorted' no on i laid out where if someone wishes to be a police officer their financial records and those of their families are open to scrutiny at will by this said board. Again to facilitate the oversight of police which is very badly needed, again highlighted by this article. And i trampled nothing, i also said that if perspective police applicants wanted to apply for the position they would have to sign wavers with respect to that.


People in both military and civilian position sign waivers limiting what they can say and do everday as a natural part of employment. By you lights if any company anywhere forces someone to sign a NDA they are themselves in breach of the constitution and the right to free speech, you dont get to play the 'constitution' card only when it suits you jackass


Offline
CKA Elite
CKA Elite
 Toronto Maple Leafs
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 3196
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:39 am
 


HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:
What i said is a broad made of of civilians , with no one with a police background either current or retired.


Oh, you're forgetting your most idiotic part! You thought that you could obviate breaches of informant confidentiality, disclosure of ongoing wiretaps, breaches of international intelligence by integrating this unit into the police force. They would be sworn in with the same rights and obligations to sit side by side with the cops yet somehow maintain enough distance to remain objective. It's not like this solved any of your legal problems, you just made it worse.

In the end, you either destroyed the objectivity of the board by integrating them OR you didn't bother and just made your breaches even more repugnant.

Let's not forget the cases you ruined by seizing notebooks. That was particularly bad. I can go into that one again in greater detail, because its fun pointing out your mistakes!

$1:
And i 'extorted' no on i laid out where if someone wishes to be a police officer their financial records and those of their families are open to scrutiny at will by this said board.


Yes you did. When you make the financial records of a child available to this board against threat of firing his parent, that's not a reasonable justification for demanding such. That's textbook extortion as defined in S. 346 of the Criminal Code. And it's two counts.

$1:
Again to facilitate the oversight of police which is very badly needed, again highlighted by this article. And i trampled nothing, i also said that if perspective police applicants wanted to apply for the position they would have to sign wavers with respect to that.


Oh you trampled rights like a drunken elephant. When I asked what would happen if the applicant's spouse declined to make her financial records known, you said he got fired. She had to permanently waive her S. 8 Constitutional rights against unreasonable search and seizure. Ditto her kids. Ditto the whole fandamily.

$1:
People in both military and civilian position sign waivers limiting what they can say and do everday as a natural part of employment. By you lights if any company anywhere forces someone to sign a NDA they are themselves in breach of the constitution and the right to free speech, you dont get to play the 'constitution' card only when it suits you jackass


No dumb-dumb, you want to make waiving your constitutional rights a condition of employment such as compulsion to act as a witness against yourself. Your simplistic notion that non-disclosure agreements amount to violations of free speech is both idiotic and wrong.

You should have realized by now that I know quite a bit more about this than you do, so tossing something out there without thinking it through should be one of your top priorities to avoid.

A non-disclosure agreement works because the employee becomes privy to sensitive knowledge, which in this case can essentially be thought of as the company's "property". The agreement represents a contract as to how the employee can use that "property". To dumb it down for you, if you rent a car, the rental company makes you sign a contract governing your behaviour with the car. You can't paint it green, put fire decals on it and then smash it into the side of a bus claiming it's your constitutional right to Freedom of Expression. You've damaged their property and there are penalties for it.

Your simpleton comparison fails to understand the fundamental difference between respecting somebody else's property rights and being compelled to be a witness against yourself.

Non-disclosure agreements are sound because you're contracted to respect another person's rights (yes, companies are people for this purpose). Your proposal mandates waiving your own rights. That's not a legal mandatory condition for employment.

Fuck you suck at this.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 15681
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:39 am
 


The big thing our cop haters are missing is that this guy is getting dismissed. His main offences are Police Act charges, as in employment law.

He was caught and dealt with.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Boston Bruins


GROUP_AVATAR
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 11907
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:47 am
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
The big thing our cop haters are missing is that this guy is getting dismissed. His main offences are Police Act charges, as in employment law.

He was caught and dealt with.


For some on this site that is not near enough. Public flogging followed by a life sentence in prison is only fair for any police officer found guilty of anything. :roll:

C'mon EB, the resident cop-hating idiots don't let anything like facts interfere with their on-going hatred festival.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 15681
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:48 am
 


True mate. They are not even worth the effort really.

These are the same guys who think that the Wikileaks were good and believed the 'friendly fire' bullshit that our embarrassingly biased media swallowed hook line and sinker this week.


Offline
Active Member
Active Member
Profile
Posts: 313
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 8:50 am
 


how do you type with both your thumbs up your ass.......I guess it is easy when you think your GOD :wink:


Offline
Active Member
Active Member
Profile
Posts: 313
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:13 am
 


Disgraced Ottawa police officer to keep pension.............An Ottawa officer who leaked sensitive police information about an investigation into weapons and heroin smugglers will get to keep his pension after he's kicked off the force.

Const. Harinderpal Mamak, who has been suspended from duty with pay since Dec. 12, 2007, was told Thursday by the Ottawa Police Service that he has seven days to quit the force or face dismissal over his conduct.

In some places — Britain, for example — police who are fired for wrongdoing risk losing their pension, but Mamak will get to keep his, as well as the $200,000 he earned while suspended.

"Quit? Fired? Doesn't matter," said John Pierce, a spokesman for Ontario Municipal Employees Retirement System, which administers pension funds for most Ontario police departments.

"It's irrelevant to OMERS how a person leaves their job. A clawback of accrued pension benefits is not legal under the Pension Benefits Act."

Mamak was accused of looking up the licence plate of an undercover car used by York regional police in Project Big Al, a surveillance operation aimed at gangsters in Toronto. The suspects were later convicted of smuggling heroin and weapons.

'Quit? Fired? Doesn't matter. It's irrelevant to OMERS how a person leaves their job.' — John Pierce, spokesman for OMERS

An internal police investigation concluded that Mamak illegally used the Canadian Police Information Centre. In September 2009, he was found guilty of breach of confidence and insubordination under the Police Services Act but was never charged with any criminal offences.

Ottawa police acting superintendent Terry Cheslock said Mamak divulged "confidential information relating to an ongoing criminal investigation in the Toronto area" and his actions compromised the safety of investigators from a sister police department.

Many officers are questioning why the police union would support a member who endangered his fellow officers, said Steve Boucher, the head of the Ottawa Police Association.

"These are always difficult cases, and sometimes, it puts our own members at odds with our own members," Boucher said. "But our job as an association is to protect what they have — to protect jobs and to protect benefits they've accrued while they've been here."

Mamak has 30 days to appeal the decision ordering him to quit with the Ontario Civilian Police Commission.

Boucher said the police union will not help him appeal.

"He's requested that we look at an appeal," Boucher said. "But really, that appeal needs to come from the lawyer that he's employed."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2 ... z0vHEpDeUE


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 50938
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:15 am
 


$1:
In some places — Britain, for example — police who are fired for wrongdoing risk losing their pension

But we're not in Britain.

Let it go.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 33492
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:22 am
 


$1:
Many officers are questioning why the police union would support a member who endangered his fellow officers, said Steve Boucher, the head of the Ottawa Police Association.


Good question. And why wasn't he charged? In BC we have an ex RCMP did the same thing (except he faked still being a cop to do it) and he was certainly charged.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 33492
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:27 am
 


The head cop in he Dziekanski affair hit and killed and kid riding his motorcycle. He ran home from the accident, then returned and claimed that the alcohol on his breath was from him having a couple of shots while at home. Now can't charge him with drinking and driving.

In another case, a woman lost control of her car and killed a 4 yr old girl. In that case they RCMP assigned a woman cop to go undercover and find out what was what - the woman had had 3 glasses of wine, and has been convicted of drunk driving causing death. (Possible life sentence).

Many people are asking why the RCMP didn't also launch an undercover operation against the Dziekanski cop.


Offline
Active Member
Active Member
Profile
Posts: 313
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 9:36 am
 


Many officers are questioning why the police union would support a member who endangered his fellow officers, said Steve Boucher, the head of the Ottawa Police Association............ THIS is easy they want the protection just in case something like this happens to THEM..... GOOD cops protecting bad cops ...... its the same story over and over again


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Toronto Maple Leafs
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 14139
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:22 am
 


You need a new pony DD


Offline
CKA Elite
CKA Elite
 Toronto Maple Leafs
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 3196
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:32 am
 


andyt andyt:
The head cop in he Dziekanski affair hit and killed and kid riding his motorcycle. He ran home from the accident, then returned and claimed that the alcohol on his breath was from him having a couple of shots while at home. Now can't charge him with drinking and driving.

In another case, a woman lost control of her car and killed a 4 yr old girl. In that case they RCMP assigned a woman cop to go undercover and find out what was what - the woman had had 3 glasses of wine, and has been convicted of drunk driving causing death. (Possible life sentence).

Many people are asking why the RCMP didn't also launch an undercover operation against the Dziekanski cop.


Presumably the accused Mountie would recognize the undercover tactics being employed against him. Also, you've got him on the death of the kid anyway, what are drunk driving charges going to do for you? It's not going to get him a bigger sentence, especially if he claims the stress of the tasering inquiry drove him to drink at sentencing.

It's a waste of time and money.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 15681
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:34 am
 


Dayseed Dayseed:
andyt andyt:
The head cop in he Dziekanski affair hit and killed and kid riding his motorcycle. He ran home from the accident, then returned and claimed that the alcohol on his breath was from him having a couple of shots while at home. Now can't charge him with drinking and driving.

In another case, a woman lost control of her car and killed a 4 yr old girl. In that case they RCMP assigned a woman cop to go undercover and find out what was what - the woman had had 3 glasses of wine, and has been convicted of drunk driving causing death. (Possible life sentence).

Many people are asking why the RCMP didn't also launch an undercover operation against the Dziekanski cop.


Presumably the accused Mountie would recognize the undercover tactics being employed against him. Also, you've got him on the death of the kid anyway, what are drunk driving charges going to do for you? It's not going to get him a bigger sentence, especially if he claims the stress of the tasering inquiry drove him to drink at sentencing.

It's a waste of time and money.



So is debating with the cop-haters mate. Not money, just a waste of our time.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 33492
PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 10:46 am
 


Dayseed Dayseed:
andyt andyt:
The head cop in he Dziekanski affair hit and killed and kid riding his motorcycle. He ran home from the accident, then returned and claimed that the alcohol on his breath was from him having a couple of shots while at home. Now can't charge him with drinking and driving.

In another case, a woman lost control of her car and killed a 4 yr old girl. In that case they RCMP assigned a woman cop to go undercover and find out what was what - the woman had had 3 glasses of wine, and has been convicted of drunk driving causing death. (Possible life sentence).

Many people are asking why the RCMP didn't also launch an undercover operation against the Dziekanski cop.


Presumably the accused Mountie would recognize the undercover tactics being employed against him. Also, you've got him on the death of the kid anyway, what are drunk driving charges going to do for you? It's not going to get him a bigger sentence, especially if he claims the stress of the tasering inquiry drove him to drink at sentencing.

It's a waste of time and money.


Put your thinking cap on. Did you not read the part where the woman found guilty with driving drunk causing death could face a life sentence? Dangerous driving causing death has a lower penalty.

How exactly do they have him on the death of the kid? All they have charged Robinson with is obstruction of justice.

http://www.thedrunkdrivingmasses.com/2009/12/mountie-escapes-impaired-driving-charge.html


Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 151 posts ]  Previous  1  2  3  4  5  6  7 ... 11  Next



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 34 guests




 
     
All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © Canadaka.net. Powered by © phpBB.