[EyeBrock]

The committee that has basically lynched our guys in the media. With Liberal friends like the former Defence Minister John McCallum and his 'support', our enemies must be well happy.

"...the fact that they may have been committing war crimes, handing over detainees knowing that they were very likely to be tortured, that is a war crime."

12Jan2010, a CBC interview.

http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepoliti ... in-it.html

But you and your buddies think it's ok to pile on the doubt while our guys are in combat. Personally I don't think it's the right time now, any lack of united resolve by Canada is seen as weakness by the Taliban.

We can clean our dirty washing in an enquiry after combat ceases in a year.

Hey, if we don't like what a public enquiry says, we could prorogue parliament and close it down, just like Chretien did with the Somali enquiry. But that wouldn't register with a Lib tubthumper like yourself.

[Bodah]

I'd like to see the opposition care as much for our men and women that are getting blown to bits as they do for the taliban that get slapped around once and awhile when transfered over.

If its that much of a concern have the UN build some prison camp and the countries that don't want to take the hard jobs can take care of them.

Its not our problem. No matter how hard you guys throw the shit at our forces it ain't going to stick. I think they learned that lesson from the Somalia fiasco.

[Curtman]

McCallum McCallum:

"I think the bigger weight is bread-and-butter issues, jobs and getting your children to school and all of those things. But I also think Canadians do care about democracy and about the high-handed, undemocratic attitude and actions of this government, and I think proroguing adds to the total character picture of Mr. Harper, and the fact that they may have been committing war crimes, handing over detainees knowing that they were very likely to be tortured, that is a war crime. And the fact that they're covering it up, I think many Canadians do care about those things as well as caring about economic issues."

12Jan2010, a CBC interview.


Give the quote some context like we discussed last time. He's a former Minister of Defense talking about the current Minister of Defense. He's not talking about the military.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

But you and your buddies think it's ok to pile on the doubt while our guys are in combat. Personally I don't think it's the right time now, any lack of united resolve by Canada is seen as weakness by the Taliban.

We can clean our dirty washing in an enquiry after combat ceases in a year.

Hey, if we don't like what a public enquiry says, we could prorogue parliament and close it down, just like Chretien did with the Somali enquiry. But that wouldn't register with a Lib tubthumper like yourself.

See above. Me and anybody I choose to be buddies with support our troops.

I do realize that you are desperately trying to drag the conversation away from Steve. That's fine. Distraction is the only tactic you've got, that's very telling as well.

[EyeBrock]

Are you for real?

You don’t think that this is a smear on our troops who supposedly were ; “…handing over detainees knowing that they were very likely to be tortured, that is a war crime."

Really?

Nah, this quote has nothing to do with the Army, it’s all about Harper.

You have a selective way at looking at reality.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Are you for real?

You don’t think that this is a smear on our troops who supposedly were ; “…handing over detainees knowing that they were very likely to be tortured, that is a war crime."

Really?

Nah, this quote has nothing to do with the Army, it’s all about Harper.

You have a selective way at looking at reality.

You're a poor sport. He said IF WE WERE. What is your position on the current topic?


Would you support a law that forced the PM to ask parliament to prorogue instead of telling it to?

[EyeBrock]

I'd support a change to the Liberal Senate knocking back Bills's to make sure drug traffickers got a minimum sentence.
But that Bill was eviscerated by Liberal Senators after Liberal MP's had voted to approve it.
At least the next version won't get stopped by non-elected Senators.

If parliament wants’ to change it’s own rules, let Parliament go for it. If the 14 times the Lib front men (Chretien and Trudeau) prorogued the House for their own political gains grates on you Grits then I’m sure your MP’s will enact change.

Maybe we should start a Facebook page? Or do you and your chums have a Bill already packaged and ready to go? I’m sure our law-makers would be very interested about a bill draft drawn up in a Winnipeg basement by guys wearing baseball hats.

On your ‘thousands’ of people protesting, what’s the total for this ‘massive groundswell’ of public opinion? More than the 0.7 % of enraged Canadians who joined the FB group?

Oh and on the ‘good sport’ thing. I tried to make peace with you via pm, but you would rather debate from an antagonistic position, fine.
Just make sure you don’t make stuff up and assign words to people that were never posted. That’s just dishonest and you have a bit of a ‘record’ for doing that.

Hey post another picture of the ‘thousands’ of angry people in Winnipeg again.

[OldChum]

Eye Brock like you I really do not care what happens to the terrorists but this is the law we as a country hold our selves too . Should we not no matter what the circumstance .
Proroguing was is and shows the sign of a little boy taking his ball home cause he is not getting his way .

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Hey post another picture of the ‘thousands’ of angry people in Winnipeg again.

As requested:

[EyeBrock]

Thousands eh?

[Smacle]

Bodah Bodah:

I'd like to see the opposition care as much for our men and women that are getting blown to bits as they do for the taliban that get slapped around once and awhile when transfered over.

If its that much of a concern have the UN build some prison camp and the countries that don't want to take the hard jobs can take care of them.

Its not our problem. No matter how hard you guys throw the shit at our forces it ain't going to stick. I think they learned that lesson from the Somalia fiasco.

Guantanamo Bay seems to ring a bell.

[EyeBrock]

OldChum OldChum:

Eye Brock like you I really do not care what happens to the terrorists but this is the law we as a country hold our selves too . Should we not no matter what the circumstance .
Proroguing was is and shows the sign of a little boy taking his ball home cause he is not getting his way .

If you mean that Harper had enough of the unelected Senate blocking Commons' Bills I'd say you were right.

And I'll rephrase my views on alleged Afghan torture. If any CF member is caught mis-treating captured insurgents/terrorists they should be charged under military law and strenuously prosecuted.

My point is that committees/inquiries into how we as a country/military conducted certain aspects of the combat in Afghanistan, including treatment of prisoners, can wait until our guys are no longer in combat.

Having partisan committees who are more interested in scoring political points against Harper than considering how this is viewed by the Taliban and more importantly, our own troops in daily combat, is not something I can support.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Gunnair Gunnair:

tritium tritium:

Gunnair; so what if this is not the time for an inquiry.

What if an inquiry may disclose information that could endanger Canadian lives.

It's not that I am against an inquiry, however there is a time for everything.

...and don't try to play your holier than thou attitude, I have had family members who have fought and died for Canada in both World Wars, as well as served myself for a short time.

Fear mongering to hide information. A sad last resort.

I will do my holier than thou though, when I am holier than thou...

Your answer seems to be to 'lie to the people or at best hide the truth from the people', mine is not. I believe my profession has a higher moral mandate than that. That makes me think I'm better than you.

Sorry if that bothers you...

Trituim has a point. If we are going to put our military through the Commons and media lynch mobs, maybe it should happen after we stop taking a combat role in 2011.

Even the Brits waited until they pulled out Iraq before they had a major inquiry about the deployment.

We should be thinking about our men and women who are in combat first.

The government may have had a point with that argument if they made it. They did not, however.

Transparency with this type of mission is not a bad thing.

[EyeBrock]

Curtman Curtman:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Hey post another picture of the ‘thousands’ of angry people in Winnipeg again.

As requested:

This is 'thousands'.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Thousands eh?

Who said there was thousands at the march in Winnipeg?

[EyeBrock]

Transparency has it's limits Gunnair.

Making our guys look bad isn't. The media are all over any 'bad-news' stories on the CF they can find.
Putting our guys in a poor light sells papers and ad space for newscasts. Combat operations are not the place for second guessing by the media or far left politicians who march with Hamas supporters.

The media loved the Somalia thing. They want something of a similar ilk, so do the Libs like McCallum and Dosanj and Coderre.