[raydan]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

This is the society that we have become. Years ago, someone or several someones would have jumped in and ended this beating in a second or two. Now we have people sitting on their asses, terrified to get involved. If this is progression, I want no part of it. Not as deadly but similar to the zombies who did nothing while crazy guy beheaded a young fellow on a Greyhound bus.

I really hope that all of you who justify this lack of action don't run into a similar situation in your life.

As far as Unf goes, you're an idiot.

I think that all of us here agree with the last sentence.

The rest too.

I'm afraid we're becoming a "me" society, instead of a "do onto others what you would what others to do onto you". Imagine what you would want others to do if you were in the bus drivers shoes.

[Akhenaten]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

This is the society that we have become. Years ago, someone or several someones would have jumped in and ended this beating in a second or two. Now we have people sitting on their asses, terrified to get involved. If this is progression, I want no part of it. Not as deadly but similar to the zombies who did nothing while crazy guy beheaded a young fellow on a Greyhound bus.

I really hope that all of you who justify this lack of action don't run into a similar situation in your life.

As far as Unf goes, you're an idiot.

I agree with everything you say here but people do have a point with the "freezing". Certainly that shouldn't last forever but people not trained to drop everything and react -- and more importantly react properly -- are going to freeze. This is specifically why soldiers, police, firemen, paramedics, they all take training (especially soldiers) that work to dimisnish or destroy these freezes by concentraiting on drills over and over and over again.

It works too....had the people on this bus just finished two months of training with drills to know exactly what to do in situations like this the bus driver may not have ever even been hit once.

[Bodah]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

I agree with everything you say here but people do have a point with the "freezing". Certainly that shouldn't last forever but people not trained to drop everything and react -- and more importantly react properly -- are going to freeze. This is specifically why soldiers, police, firemen, paramedics, they all take training (especially soldiers) that work to dimisnish or destroy these freezes by concentraiting on drills over and over and over again.

You dont have to be a soldier or be trained etc to be able to "help" people. I 've been in a few situations, car accidents, girls getting a beat down. Where I just instictively have to do something. My friend who's served in Bosnia did tell me though being able to react like that mentioned I would of done well in the armed forces, being able discern right from wrong quickly and act upon is needed

[Akhenaten]

Dude i never said there's nothing to be said for instinctual reactions and I never said soldiers only, however there's a reason for that training and as I pointed out it's to counter freezing, fear and doing the wrong thing. Probably in that order.
When i read the story I read a lot of 'it happened so fast' and that's why I suspect it has relevence here.

One time I was working in a parking lot and there was this guy workingon his engine while it was running. He was in front of his car. For some unexplained reason teh car suddenly lunged forward and pinned him to a tree. I didn't waste a second (not even a millisecond) analyzing the situation and ran into the drivers seat, put 'er into reverse and unpinned the guy (who turned out to be uninjured). I know I can react properly and in a timely fashion. What I can't do is guarantee i'd be able to do it every single time.

[Unf]

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

"His passengers absolutely love him and there's no reason for it. He's been an operator for 33 years and has a heart of gold," said Litwinowich.

I guess one of his passengers didn't love him too much. Why was his passenger having to run along beside the bus hammering on it to get him to stop? Surely this bus driver didn't just close the doors in his face and start driving off.
Even though it happens all the time, it's assumed that this bus driver always does everything just right and is so friendly all of his passengers love him dearly.

$1:

Sorry but the only one showing off 'internet bravado' here is you.

You see the difference is that I can and do make an effort to argue the point. Mom's wart here, can manage a "yer an idiot" and "Yer a dumb...idiot". Major difference.

$1:

What kind of 24-year old coward, drunken asshole does it take to beat a 58 year old man this severly simply because he wouldn't let you on for free?

Who knows? Edmonton is full of losers who can't control themselves. Maybe this "almost Jesus" bus driver closed the door on the wrong loser.

$1:

The guy stayed out all night drinking like a bum, obviously he doesn't work, and he nearly kills this guy over the $2.50 he spent on Lysol instead of the bus fare he knew he'd need and you insinuate the driver deserved it?

That's not what was posted in the article. All of that you made up to insinuate something else while accusing me of insinuation. Pretty fucking hypocritical of you. And the passenger paid his fare. Further, in the article is says that the driver did nothing physical to provoke the passenger, but they had argued after he did pay his fare until the driver pulled over and ordered the passenger off the bus. So like I said, maybe he wasn't the gentlman of gentlemen when he was arguing with the passenger.

$1:

c'mon. You're wrong. Plain and simple. I have no sympathy for voilent obnoxious drunks.

Who does? The only difference here is that I don't have any sympathy for load mouths who obviously can't back it up. The lesson here is don't let your big mouth write cheques your ass can't cash.

Giggles the basment boy here started the name calling. I have to say, if I were Giggles bus driver I wouldn't order him off the bus, I'd throw him off.

[Brenda]

Thats against policy.

[Akhenaten]

Unf Unf:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

The guy stayed out all night drinking like a bum, obviously he doesn't work, and he nearly kills this guy over the $2.50 he spent on Lysol instead of the bus fare he knew he'd need and you insinuate the driver deserved it?

That's not what was posted in the article. All of that you made up to insinuate something else while accusing me of insinuation. Pretty fucking hypocritical of you.

Reaad the article again. He was drunk....at 7 in the morning. Is it yopur contention that he had only started drinking?

Besides, you made up the part about this bus driver being an asshole and insinuating he deserved it without any indication of that in the article so these complaints you make now make YOU the hypocrite.

$1:

And the passenger paid his fare

No. He didn't.

The Article The Article:

“The driver let the guy on, but he said he didn’t have enough money,” said Bain.

Who's not reading the article again?

The Article The Article:

“He said, ‘I have to get home, I have to get home.’ He started cursing.” said Bain.

Welp, he ain't going to work now is he? So i think my assertion was dead on.

The article The article:

It was the same grungy guy who hung around the mini-mall at the corner, begging for change, said fellow passenger Sean Emerson, 26.

Police said the man looked intoxicated at the time of the attack.

Hmm. Looks like my characterization is bang on and not an assumption made from not reading hte article at all.

Unf Unf:

Further, in the article is says that the driver did nothing physical to provoke the passenger, but they had argued after he did pay his fare until the driver pulled over and ordered the passenger off the bus.

Nope. That's not what happened. Read the article again please.

$1:

I guess one of his passengers didn't love him too much. Why was his passenger having to run along beside the bus hammering on it to get him to stop? Surely this bus driver didn't just close the doors in his face and start driving off.
Even though it happens all the time, it's assumed that this bus driver always does everything just right and is so friendly all of his passengers love him dearly.

Nothing said there is backed up by the article that you obviuously didn't read but hypocritically accuse me of not reading.

Unf Unf:

Who does? The only difference here is that I don't have any sympathy for load mouths who obviously can't back it up. The lesson here is don't let your big mouth write cheques your ass can't cash.

Like you're doing now? You're wrong. Period. And now you're having a tempertantrum and like an internet coward you're tallking a lotta shit you can't back up. If you spoke to me like this face-to-face (which you wouldn't) I'd kick your tiny little balls right to the roof of your fat mouth.

You're wrong. You're the one being a hypocrit. You're the one with all the internet bravado. you're the one writing cheques your ass can't cash. You're the one making assumptions. You're the one who didn';t read the article.

And considering you've got 41 posts and -8 rep i think you'll be right at home on my ignore list.

[gigs]

Only a minus 8! Can we add to the total

[Brenda]

Its just from this thread alone

[Yogi]

Unf Unf:

Akhenaten Akhenaten:

"His passengers absolutely love him and there's no reason for it. He's been an operator for 33 years and has a heart of gold," said Litwinowich.

I guess one of his passengers didn't love him too much. Why was his passenger having to run along beside the bus hammering on it to get him to stop? Surely this bus driver didn't just close the doors in his face and start driving off.
Even though it happens all the time, it's assumed that this bus driver always does everything just right and is so friendly all of his passengers love him dearly.

$1:

Sorry but the only one showing off 'internet bravado' here is you.

You see the difference is that I can and do make an effort to argue the point. Mom's wart here, can manage a "yer an idiot" and "Yer a dumb...idiot". Major difference.

$1:

What kind of 24-year old coward, drunken asshole does it take to beat a 58 year old man this severly simply because he wouldn't let you on for free?

Who knows? Edmonton is full of losers who can't control themselves. Maybe this "almost Jesus" bus driver closed the door on the wrong loser.

$1:

The guy stayed out all night drinking like a bum, obviously he doesn't work, and he nearly kills this guy over the $2.50 he spent on Lysol instead of the bus fare he knew he'd need and you insinuate the driver deserved it?

That's not what was posted in the article. All of that you made up to insinuate something else while accusing me of insinuation. Pretty fucking hypocritical of you. And the passenger paid his fare. Further, in the article is says that the driver did nothing physical to provoke the passenger, but they had argued after he did pay his fare until the driver pulled over and ordered the passenger off the bus. So like I said, maybe he wasn't the gentlman of gentlemen when he was arguing with the passenger.

$1:

c'mon. You're wrong. Plain and simple. I have no sympathy for voilent obnoxious drunks.

Who does? The only difference here is that I don't have any sympathy for load mouths who obviously can't back it up. The lesson here is don't let your big mouth write cheques your ass can't cash.

Giggles the basment boy here started the name calling. I have to say, if I were Giggles bus driver I wouldn't order him off the bus, I'd throw him off.

OK. I've been sittig back, following your mindless,uninformed nattering, but now I will tell toSHUT THE FUCK UP!

I just got a phone call from one of my brothers. The bus drivers name is Tom Bregg. I have known Tom for several years. Having met him through my brother, as he is one of his regular 'bike riding buddies' and we have all spent a lot of time together. Both 'on the road', and around the fire. Tom is one of the easiest going guys I know, A real pleasure to spend time with, and I highly value being called 'one of his friends' ! Absolutely non-confrontational! I'm always bugging him about the 'easy attitude' that he has towards even the most beligerent of passengers. He always responded with " Ah, my looks is all it takes. Don't need to get nasty"! He'looks like' the typical Harley rider.

Change your attitude or I'll have your sorry ass banned from CKA!

end rant/

[SprCForr]

Time to reel it in.

Nobody is getting their ass banned.

[CanadianJeff]

It just amazes me to see that this does happen nowadays.

I think my Sensei puts it best. "If you go throughout life assuming that it's always going to be sunny you will never do anything but get soaked in the rain."

If you go throughout life assuming you will never encounter violence you will be powerless before it.

I've said it before and I'll post it again.

"Pacifism is only a choice for the warrior. Others are condemned to it."

Conquer fear or it will conquer you. That is the difference with todays world compared to the past. We have forgotten how to confront violence due to lack of exposure so our fear has conquered most us.

[Brenda]

Yes, I would be afraid to have my head smashed in by a drugged up, drunk lunatic. I am a small girl, one kick and I am dead. Sorry, I have 2 kids to look after. They come first. Coward? I don't think so. Real? Yes, totally.

[CanadianJeff]

Brenda Brenda:

Yes, I would be afraid to have my head smashed in by a drugged up, drunk lunatic. I am a small girl, one kick and I am dead. Sorry, I have 2 kids to look after. They come first. Coward? I don't think so. Real? Yes, totally.

In that case don't you have all the more to gain from knowing how to defend yourself or your kids if the need arises. That's what I'm talking about.

[Brenda]

I know how to defend myself. I do not know how to attack someone, especially not when they are drugged up at 7.30 in the morning.