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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:43 pm
 


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What.. You didn't like my video? Looks to me like Iggy is for more wars.

They need to ignore it because it screws with their "Harper=Neocon Bush Puppet" rhetoric. I'm sure it's also embarrassing for them to realize what Iggy is about AFTER they threw all their support into him and spending years calling Harper a 'neocon'.


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:D

Some can see the emperor has no clothes, but their very unpopular because of it.

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When one comes across one of Iggy’s or his apologists bald attempts to rewrite history, to pretend he never called himself American, or promoted the American Empire, or defended torture methods like sleep deprivation & hooding as “permissible duress” during interrogation, or advocated the invasion of Iraq as enlightened imperialism rather than some rescue mission for the Kurds, his eventual post-invasion, post-morass justification, one sometimes wonders whether one has fallen down the rabbit hole. And this is precisely as it should be, as Iggy is indeed a Humpty Dumpty figure, who believes his words’ meaning is independent of any recognised conventions of linguistics, logic & precedent. Unfortunately, he seeks not to govern Never Never Land but Canada.

One faces a dilemma when judging Iggy: Does he exist? By this I mean by what standard should one judge him. Should one pay him the compliment of taking him seriously? Or should one see him as an imaginary, unreal figure, an unconscious actor, a “real phony”, a character who seems to have stepped straight out of “l’Illusion comique”, “A Midsummer’s Night Dream”, Kundera, etc., and whose words should be treated as lightly?

It is quite accepted to think of public figures as actors, who are not the roles they play and who only hope their performance will allow them to advance on to bigger & better jobs. However, actors, however much they may lose themselves in a role, for a time, know themselves to be actors. Iggy does not, seemingly.


http://eugeneforseyliberal.blogspot.com ... gists.html

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If "peacekeeping" means putting a hole in the head of the odd guy thinking his gonna start a genocide im all for it(as should have happened in Rwanda). But for me to back a military mission one of the stated goals HAS to be treating the local population as if they were Canadian and protecting them at all costs. It means more of what we saw in the FOX news video where the soldiers were extra cautious and less of the "hey an insurgent ran in that house!...AIRSTRIKE! Ooooops, who knew civilians lived in houses!?" This debate between complete "terrorists are human too!" pacifists and psychopathic right wingers is beyond stupid. We should be "peacekeepers" yes but peacekeeping shouldnt mean standing around holding your sack while people get hacked to death.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:46 pm
 


Akhenaten Akhenaten:
Do you think the UN couldve saved Rwandian refugees without firing a shot? Again: c'mon. Be real here.



Im all for firing shots, but there is a view that had Clinton simply put in a "you stop that or your toast" call to the head Hutu scumbag the genocide might have been averted. He was busy getting blown though.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:52 pm
 


Akhenaten Akhenaten:
I'm sure it's also embarrassing for them to realize what Iggy is about AFTER they threw all their support into him and spending years calling Harper a 'neocon'.



Mmmm...I dont know many people that didnt know Iggs was a neocon. I think the people that prefer him hope that despite with his neocon ways that he wont also pretend scientists are retards and that global warming is a "hoax" and all that other good lib stuff. The Idea is that hes better than Harper in other ways not that hes not equally warmongering.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:58 pm
 


Biblesmasher Biblesmasher:
m all for firing shots, but there is a view that had Clinton simply put in a "you stop that or your toast" call to the head Hutu scumbag the genocide might have been averted.
No threats necessary. The US already had two marine battalions standing by to assist the UN mission.

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I dont know many people that didnt know Iggs was a neocon.
I've seen plenty...at least any Liberal calling Harper a neocon outta be aware. They don't seem to be. Never said 'no one' knew that.


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Akhenaten Akhenaten:
Do you think the UN couldve saved Rwandian refugees without firing a shot? Again: c'mon. Be real here.



Im all for firing shots, but there is a view that had Clinton simply put in a "you stop that or your toast" call to the head Hutu scumbag the genocide might have been averted. He was busy getting blown though.


Didn't they try that hollow threat in Somolia?

Our man in charge, Roméo Dallaire knew what was comming and kept asking the UN for authority to act. It's possible moving in and siezing the stockpiles of macheties would have slowed or stopped it enough for other measures to be used... but the UN did nothing.

Rwanda was't a peackeeping but a UN failure.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:08 pm
 


Akhenaten Akhenaten:
No threats necessary. The US already had two marine battalions standing by to assist the UN mission.


Doesn't mean much if a the psycho doesn't know about it/think your going to do anything. Reports were that the mere presence of foreigners kept people alive. The scumbags would wait till the second all foreigners pulled out of an area then go in and start hacking away because they knew there would be no consequences. You're not always dealing with people that are awaiting 7 million virgins when they die. A lot of times its rational actors that value their own lives. But Ive really got no quarrel. I agree send in men with guns, if shot at, fire back.

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...at least any Liberal calling Harper a neocon outta be aware. They don't seem to be. Never said 'no one' knew that.


Fair enough. I agree all liberal supporters should know, and any that do and still call Harper a Neocon are dumdums. Support the principle not the team, unlike a certain sir postalot on CKA.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:05 pm
 


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Mainly because it was derailed.


Derailed by what? Somali war lords who attacked the convoys? C'mon. This is the key thing people who favour peacekeeping just don't want to admit: sooner or later to get your objective done you might have to shoot at someone. The moment that happens the idealistic wishful thinking disappears and you're right back to peace making. If you don't shoot -- or in some cases shoot back -- the mission will still fail.

Do you think the UN couldve saved Rwandian refugees without firing a shot? Again: c'mon. Be real here.

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PK missions always seem to be a hot button issue here. Without all the various PK missions over the decades, our Forces would have had nothing to do, so the question becomes: Should Canada sit at home or get involved in more Wars?

Look if the PK missions are going to have a hope in hell of working then send them on both...or either...or none. Sure. Why not?


You're complaining about the wrong thing. Rwanda didn't fail because of the UN, it failed because UN Members didn't want to escalate/contribute. The problem with the UN isn't the UN, it's the Membership not wanting to commit resources into situations where they have no vested interest.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:32 pm
 


WTF have Harper and Iggy got to do with it? They weren't polled.
Half the people said no to anything but peace-keeping.
STFU and listen.


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I'd bet that same half that were only for peace keeping couldn't name where those UN missions took place.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:18 pm
 


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:31 pm
 


ridenrain ridenrain:
What.. You didn't like my video? Looks to me like Iggy is for more wars.


As are you. I guess you're voting for Iggy? :lol:


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