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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:34 am
 


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Obama Closes Doors on Openness

As a senator, Barack Obama denounced the Bush administration for holding "secret energy meetings" with oil executives at the White House. But last week public-interest groups were dismayed when his own administration rejected a Freedom of Information Act request for Secret Service logs showing the identities of coal executives who had visited the White House to discuss Obama's "clean coal" policies. One reason: the disclosure of such records might impinge on privileged "presidential communications." The refusal, approved by White House counsel Greg Craig's office, is the latest in a series of cases in which Obama officials have opted against public disclosure. Since Obama pledged on his first day in office to usher in a "new era" of openness, "nothing has changed," says David -Sobel, a lawyer who litigates FOIA cases. "For a president who said he was going to bring unprecedented transparency to government, you would certainly expect more than the recycling of old Bush secrecy policies."


http://www.newsweek.com/id/202875


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:38 pm
 


Stop the Globe from getting warm,
Fuel your car with nuts and corn...

He's Barrack O bammmm a
Come to save the dayyyyyy...




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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:40 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Stop the Globe from getting warm,
Fuel your car with nuts and corn...

He's Barrack O bammmm a
Come to save the dayyyyyy...



http://ayersline.com/Saywut/articles/animals/tricks/tricks.htm :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:07 pm
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
There's nothing "simple" about cap and trade. The document for the proposed American cap and trade bill is so large very few have actually read it.

Cap and Trade does however meet the basic criterion for a tax. The government gets money when it first sets the price on carbon credits. You and me pay money when, say energy companies, pass that price on to the consumer. Even Obama stated energy prices would rise after cap and trade. The estimated price per average family I hear is about $1600 a year. As I understand it, this works out to be about a 50% tax hike. I've heard it called the biggest tax increase in the history of man.

In the sense the bill is not sent directly to people from the government, you could possibly get technical, and say it's not a tax. However the ultimate effect is the same. The government makes money. That money ultimately comes out of peoples' pockets. C & T performs the function of a tax. It has the effect of a tax. To me, saying it's not a tax is just semantics.


Way to miss the point.


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