[Zipperfish]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, me and 2CDO agreeing on something. Is that hell I head freezing over.

I never realised you were for less government intrusions into our lives. I too have a huge problem with big government trying to force itself into every single aspect of my life and legislating everything. If the government thinks they know whats best for us, instead of us lowly peons, then I want to opt out.

I think that every time they come up with a new law, they should have to find an old one to repeal! Otherwise they just accumulate.

[EyeBrock]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Thanos Thanos:

Yeah, but it's more like the bylaws are designed to protect people who might get knocked down by some idiot who falls on them because he wasn't holding the handrail. I know in Calgary we almost had some little kid die a few years when he didn't have a hand on the rail, fell down on the escalator, and his hoodie got caught in the top step. If someone nearby hadn't been on the ball and cut his jacket open with a pocket knife the little guy would have been strangled.

I'll fall on the police side as usual on this one. Personal freedom's terrific until some dope who's exercising his rights to the fullest ends up putting you into the hospital.

By-laws to protect people? Sure. Shouldn't there be a higher bar though? I mean these bleeding hearts come in to city council meetings with some outrageous new law and start bleating that "If it just saves one life it'll be worth it." Really? That's it? Any transgression of our freedoms is warranted if it "just saves one life." I don't buy it. I'm still old skool "Give me freedom or give me death."

The latest one where I live was no smoking within six meters of a bus stop. Strictly safety of course. I showed up to the council meeting and asked if this was a safety by-law or a behaviour modification by-law. "Safety" I was told ("If it just saves one life..."). So I asked for an amendment to the by-law. Where it said "smoking" I asked that they add or "emitting an equally hazardous substance in any manner." That would make us safer right? It would protect us all not only from the scourge of incidental contact with second had smoke but something, if you can imagine it, even worse!!!

Well, I guess they sensed what I was on to (that being that a diesel bus pukes out more toxins in a minute than a smoker does in a year, and therefore, by law, a bus would no longer be permitted within six meters of a bus stop) and shot me down. I said fine, but please then spare me the little song and dance about your little by-law being about safety. I was accorded piteous looks from all the hand-wringers in the crowd who just want me to be safe. Gutless busybodies.

Anyways, I don't smoke so don't read that into it. I'm just peridocally disgusted without the timid, milquetoast society we've seem to become.

I especially like the part I bolded in your post. I'll take it one further. If it costs billions to implement and it only saves one life, it ain't worth the cost.

It would actually bother me less if they would just admit these laws have nothing to do with public safety but are in fact behaviour modification.

Hey, all I'm saying is that there are two sides every story and we are getting this chicks side only. I have been in plenty of situations where things are not what they appear.
Passing judgement on things is easy when you are not there and not in the know on the full facts.

I have learned through hard won experience that these kind of incidents are not what they appear on the surface. This chick was also arrested for obstruct police, thats a false name given and probably a load of attitude. I'm sure that there is a bit of history with this woman.

[2Cdo]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Hey, all I'm saying is that there are two sides every story and we are getting this chicks side only. I have been in plenty of situations where things are not what they appear.
Passing judgement on things is easy when you are not there and not in the know on the full facts.

I have learned through hard won experience that these kind of incidents are not what they appear on the surface. This chick was also arrested for obstruct police, thats a false name given and probably a load of attitude. I'm sure that there is a bit of history with this woman.

I wasn't actually referring to the case in point but I agree that there are two sides to every story and we've only heard one.

Mind you, giving a false name to police doesn't do anything for your credibility.

[Zipperfish]

I'm not necessarily defending her either. If a law is in place, police have a duty to enforce it. I'm arguing that there never should have been such a law to start with.

[2Cdo]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I think that every time they come up with a new law, they should have to find an old one to repeal! Otherwise they just accumulate.

Sounds good in theory but then we'd just argue over which old laws to dump!

[EyeBrock]

I agree, it sounds like a silly law.

[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Thanos Thanos:

Could we agree that they should be obligated to carry their own private health insurance so the rest of us don't end up paying the costs when their pseudo-rebel image goes pear-shaped on them, i.e. the aforementioned barfing up what's left of their lungs?

Sure. But then you'd have to drop the taxes, since that's the ostensible reason for them (although the dirty little secret is that what the tobacco comanies make off smoking pales incomparison to what the government makes).

I used to be a stalwart defender of socialized medicare, but now I see more and more people insisting on more and more behaviour modification laws on the basis that we all have to pay to keep those who choose unhealthy lifetstyles. Smokers. Obese people. Extreme sports afficiandos. Couch potatoes.

Lately, I think it's time to get rid of socialized medicine. It achieves better overall results than private insurance, in my considered opinion, but I'm really fed up with the handwringers who want to use it to micro-manage how I choose to live. If you privatize the system for smokers, privatize it for all. That simple.

Yeah, that's probably a sippery-slope argument that I should have made in the context of this thread. Not that the slippery-slope theory isn't true in a lot of instances, but just that I shouldn't have used it here.

[HyperionTheEvil]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Is that it? Are you actually in the military with that piss poor attitude?

Term is 'Was" after eight years of listenting to people , doing my job well and following orders. I know full well the level of stupidity that people in authority can rise too. Not only that, the woman in question isn't in the military, and surprisngly as though this may be to some police, neither are they.

The police have a difficult job, and that job is to Protect and Serve. In that thier job is to serve the populace. They don't like it? quit. No one forced you to put on the poilce uniform, all you have to do is resign. It's that easy

My issue here is that apparelty we have two street cops with literally nothing better to do than arrest a woman for not holding onto a handrail? And then take her into custody? Please this isn't a law and order issue it's likely because she got in their face. And good for her, there is no law that we have to talk nice to people in the militray or the police and it's a fundamental freedom of speech question. For one i believe in freedom of speech, even the most horrible ideas out there, if somone wants to deny the holocaust , let them. I'm willing to engage in the clash of ideals any day.


But cops are not special snowflakes, they do a job, a difficult job the volunteered for. And that means sometimes just like everyone else they have deal with people who don't like them. Guess what that's freedom and democracy

[hurley_108]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Hey, all I'm saying is that there are two sides every story and we are getting this chicks side only. I have been in plenty of situations where things are not what they appear.
Passing judgement on things is easy when you are not there and not in the know on the full facts.

I have learned through hard won experience that these kind of incidents are not what they appear on the surface. This chick was also arrested for obstruct police, thats a false name given and probably a load of attitude. I'm sure that there is a bit of history with this woman.

For goodness' sake, if you feel so strongly about something, look for more info than just going on what's already been provided. But just so you can't claim there's nothing mroe to it, here's another story with more details.

The "obstruction" seems to stem from refusal to produce ID, on the grounds that she felt she'd done nothing wrong.

The detainment seems to stem from a need on the part of the police to maintain face in a public area.

I totally agree that the police cannot allow themselves to be seen to be badgered down in public. But that doesn't mean they have to press the matter in private.

[EyeBrock]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Is that it? Are you actually in the military with that piss poor attitude?

Term is 'Was" after eight years of listenting to people , doing my job well and following orders. I know full well the level of stupidity that people in authority can rise too. Not only that, the woman in question isn't in the military, and surprisngly as though this may be to some police, neither are they.

The police have a difficult job, and that job is to Protect and Serve. In that thier job is to serve the populace. They don't like it? quit. No one forced you to put on the poilce uniform, all you have to do is resign. It's that easy

My issue here is that apparelty we have two street cops with literally nothing better to do than arrest a woman for not holding onto a handrail? And then take her into custody? Please this isn't a law and order issue it's likely because she got in their face. And good for her, there is no law that we have to talk nice to people in the militray or the police and it's a fundamental freedom of speech question. For one i believe in freedom of speech, even the most horrible ideas out there, if somone wants to deny the holocaust , let them. I'm willing to engage in the clash of ideals any day.


But cops are not special snowflakes, they do a job, a difficult job the volunteered for. And that means sometimes just like everyone else they have deal with people who don't like them. Guess what that's freedom and democracy

Attitude very well explained.

[EyeBrock]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Hey, all I'm saying is that there are two sides every story and we are getting this chicks side only. I have been in plenty of situations where things are not what they appear.
Passing judgement on things is easy when you are not there and not in the know on the full facts.

I have learned through hard won experience that these kind of incidents are not what they appear on the surface. This chick was also arrested for obstruct police, thats a false name given and probably a load of attitude. I'm sure that there is a bit of history with this woman.

For goodness' sake, if you feel so strongly about something, look for more info than just going on what's already been provided. But just so you can't claim there's nothing mroe to it, here's another story with more details.

The "obstruction" seems to stem from refusal to produce ID, on the grounds that she felt she'd done nothing wrong.

The detainment seems to stem from a need on the part of the police to maintain face in a public area.

I totally agree that the police cannot allow themselves to be seen to be badgered down in public. But that doesn't mean they have to press the matter in private.

Did you not see the bit where I said it was a very silly law?

[HyperionTheEvil]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Is that it? Are you actually in the military with that piss poor attitude?

Term is 'Was" after eight years of listenting to people , doing my job well and following orders. I know full well the level of stupidity that people in authority can rise too. Not only that, the woman in question isn't in the military, and surprisngly as though this may be to some police, neither are they.

The police have a difficult job, and that job is to Protect and Serve. In that thier job is to serve the populace. They don't like it? quit. No one forced you to put on the poilce uniform, all you have to do is resign. It's that easy

My issue here is that apparelty we have two street cops with literally nothing better to do than arrest a woman for not holding onto a handrail? And then take her into custody? Please this isn't a law and order issue it's likely because she got in their face. And good for her, there is no law that we have to talk nice to people in the militray or the police and it's a fundamental freedom of speech question. For one i believe in freedom of speech, even the most horrible ideas out there, if somone wants to deny the holocaust , let them. I'm willing to engage in the clash of ideals any day.


But cops are not special snowflakes, they do a job, a difficult job the volunteered for. And that means sometimes just like everyone else they have deal with people who don't like them. Guess what that's freedom and democracy

Attitude very well explained.

I notice no rebuttal, I'll take that as a win for me then.

[Zipperfish]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

I notice no rebuttal, I'll take that as a win for me then.

[raydan]

This picture has been posted here before and was found to be in very bad taste.
I still think it is.

[Bacardi4206]

The police seem to be handing out fines more than usually as of lately. Weird. All these fines and amung other things are bankrupting my mom.

Her water-bill is 910 dollars a month. Yet shes not home all day and rarely uses her water. She got over 600+ dollar police fines this month.

The water company one is obviously a mistake and shes going to check her water meter and report the mistake and get a refund. However some tickets are good like ones for not wearing a seatbelt, not having a drivers lisence, etc.

Not holding a handrail though? Are the police desperate for money?