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They should start charging the bully's parents if possible.

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Bullying never stops,when they get older they keep the same behaviour,I know this because I and a few other peeps have had a guy and his group of bud's following my every move for the last 7 or so years,he watches me here and has even signed on and pretends to be a respectable member so he can fullfill whatever sick infatuation he has.

They dont like to be shown for what they are which is a coward and now they have the anonymity of the net so they think they have a new tool to harrass.
This is the next step of a bully,they allmost become stalkers.
They will stop at nothing to make themselves feel good at the expense of their "target" and I mean nothing. I could tell some stories that would raise the hair on your neck about my "follower" and what he's tried to pull.

[Axeman]

lily lily:

Oh you're so right. Lindsay MUST have done something to deserve all this because after all, no-one does anything for no reason whatsoever, right?

Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? I never said she deserved this. In fact, if you could read, you'd see that I said the very opposite. I'm sure she DIDN'T DESERVE IT. But she did something to draw their wrath.

lily lily:

Maybe she talked funny and had red hair, like Bart. Maybe she was smaller and younger, like Yogi.

Maybe she was just different.

Maybe. Probably. But we don't have that information yet. I'd like to hear the others' side.

[Yogi]

Axeman Axeman:

lily lily:

Oh you're so right. Lindsay MUST have done something to deserve all this because after all, no-one does anything for no reason whatsoever, right?

Why do you insist on putting words in my mouth? I never said she deserved this. In fact, if you could read, you'd see that I said the very opposite. I'm sure she DIDN'T DESERVE IT. But she did something to draw their wrath.

lily lily:

Maybe she talked funny and had red hair, like Bart. Maybe she was smaller and younger, like Yogi.

Maybe she was just different.

Maybe. Probably. But we don't have that information yet. I'd like to hear the others' side.

Axeman. Pay attention! Here is the other side of the story that you say you want to hear! Read it carefully! Afterwhich you may begin to understand that a bully doesn't have or need a reason to be a bully!







TORONTO - The bully who made Lindsay Hyde's school year a living hell has always dreamed of being famous.

"Well i got arested cuz of some girl. im in the news b/c of the Same girl. i always want fame," the 15-year-old ringleader writes on her Facebook page. "T H A N K X for givin me the spot light."

Look past her atrocious spelling, and the girl we'll call Sara offers a frightening window into the troubled soul of a bully.

Her victim first told her story here last Sunday, of how she has endured months of taunting and attacks by a pack of mean girls at West Credit Secondary School in Mississauga. In January, their bullying escalated into a horrifying assault on her schoolbus, in which Lindsay had pens hurled at her, chewed gum shoved down her shirt and an open condom smeared all over her face and jacket. While none of her fellow students or bus driver came to her aid, one of the girls then punched her in the face.

Lindsay's harrowing experience has been the subject of talk radio shows all week and has elicited hundreds of e-mails and website outrage at the prevalence of bullying in our midst. Every missive came with a similar story of school torment more upsetting than the next.

But why? Why is so much of this happening? What makes these bullies pick on others with such wanton cruelty?

After a lengthy and chilling conversation with Sara, there were no more answers than before, except that she's clearly a kid who needs help.

Because of the bus incident, Sara -- who can't be identified as she's before the courts as a youth offender -- was charged with assault and expelled. She was charged again last week with breaching her release conditions when she was seen back on school property. "I'm pretty much getting screwed," she says.

Sara now insists she regrets what she did to Lindsay and keeps repeating that she didn't "plan" the attack, as if that makes it so much better. So why did she lead the swarming on the bus?

"I was joking around with her and it got really serious," she says, insisting she's never harboured any animosity towards Lindsay. "I had no problems with her except once in a while when she was being snobby. If I was really mad at her, I would've beat her up, you know?"

Sara says the whole bus was involved, with everyone pelting Lindsay with pens and condoms, yet she's the one who took the blame for everything. She wonders why the other students took part and then answers her own question in a rare moment of introspection. "I'm a really big influence on other people," Sara says. "I regret what I've done."

But why? The ringleader is pressed again for what made her torment and humiliate a poor girl who she admits did her no wrong?

"I guess I was jealous in a way," Sara finally confesses. "Or trying to be cool."

It seems that what she's most envious of is Lindsay's closeness with her mother, who has relentlessly fought the school to provide her a safer environment. Sara lives with her dad. "He thinks it's very appalling what I've done and obviously he wasn't impressed," she explains.

And her mom? She grows very quiet. "I don't live with my mom."

That missing part of her life will surface over and over in our conversation: "She has her mom, I don't have my mom. I stick up for myself," Sara says at one point. "Her mother sticks up for her and that's the best thing because she can't stick up for herself and I wish she could stick up for herself," she says at another.

"I'm a very troubled girl, that's the thing," Sara admits. "Every week I get suspended because of stupidity. I guess school wasn't working for me."

Asked for examples, she gives a little chuckle and recalls the time she slipped her chewed gum into the principal's coffee. "I got suspended for that."

Ironically, she was once "jumped" at her old school, but unlike Lindsay, she just laughed it off. She really expected her victim to do the same.

So Sara is feeling pretty sorry for herself. She's afraid, especially after a court appearance last week with other young offenders. "All these girls were so f----d up. I don't wanna end like that," she says.

And she's angry that she's taking the fall when her fellow mean girls are off the hook. "I haven't eaten in three days," she complains. "I'm so stressed out."

Sara has to leave for a meeting about moving to a new school. "I'm starting my life over early," she insists. But before ringing off, the teen wants to know if we can relay a message.

"If you can tell Lindsay that I'm really happy for her that her mom is there for her sticking up for her. I don't have my mom. And I'm really sorry for hurting her physically and emotionally. It wasn't my intention.

"I know she can stick up for herself. I have faith in her."

And for a moment, she sounds so sincere. And then you remember that earlier, Sara had confided her greatest ambition: she wants to be an actress.

[Axeman]

Yogi Yogi:

Axeman. Pay attention! Here is the other side of the story that you say you want to hear! Read it carefully! Afterwhich you may begin to understand that a bully doesn't have or need a reason to be a bully!

I'm aware of that. I was curious to hear the whole story. I guess that makes me a villain, being curious about why it happened. Thanks for the post, Yogi.

[crystalsm]

Axeman Axeman:

lily lily:

The bullying started with taunts about the clothing she wore and escalated until she was attacked on a bus in January.

Well, if you believe this girl was victimized to this extent soley because of her wardrobe choice, then you're completely obtuse. That makes no sense.

My sister was bullied in school because she was the youngest in her class, and happened to do better in school than most of her classmates. In her case, it was about jealousy.

Some people go to the extremes for trivial things.

[Yogi]

Axeman Axeman:

Yogi Yogi:

Axeman. Pay attention! Here is the other side of the story that you say you want to hear! Read it carefully! Afterwhich you may begin to understand that a bully doesn't have or need a reason to be a bully!

I'm aware of that. I was curious to hear the whole story. I guess that makes me a villain, being curious about why it happened. Thanks for the post, Yogi.

You were being 'taken to task' because inspite of 'the reasons' you kept asking about being posted by Shep, Bart, Lily & Ruez, you continued to 'push your question'. 'We did not understand why you did not understand'! Understand? To be fair to you though, we had read the article and I know that I for one, was under the impression for the most part that you had also read the article but chose to be obtuse.

[Axeman]

Yogi Yogi:

You were being 'taken to task' because inspite of 'the reasons' you kept asking about being posted by Shep, Bart, Lily & Ruez, you continued to 'push your question'. 'We did not understand why you did not understand'! Understand? To be fair to you though, we had read the article and I know that I for one, was under the impression for the most part that you had also read the article but chose to be obtuse.

I wasn't being obtuse. I was being curious.

[Axeman]

lily lily:

Be curious on your own time then. Several people have taken the time to write their stories of dealing with bullies and you keep asking.

I sure hope you get it now, but I doubt it. How many times do you need to be told that bullies don't need a reason?

If you have any honour, you'll apologize for that. I didn't deserve that at all.

[rawmeat]

Axeman Axeman:

lily lily:

I could say because of her clothes, but you refused to believe that.

Why would you think we "haven't got the whole story"? Why are you wondering what she did - if anything - to deserve this? Do you think there's any justification?

No, I think there is NO justificiation. But I'd still like to know why.

Because this girl works at a job and is able to buy nice clothes to wear to school, the other girls are envious of that. Is that good enough?

[ShepherdsDog]

lily lily:

You don't deserve an apology. But speaking of honour, you could apologize for wasting everyone's time. Like Yogi, I also assumed you'd read the article... and everyone's posts.

I'll know better next time.

Oh for fuck's sake this isn't a formal inquiry! He asked a question, he didn't say the girl got what was coming to her or something like that.

[RUEZ]

The problem is he infered that we hadn't heard the entire story. Like there was something left out, perhaps how the victim had antagonized her bullies into bullying her.

[TattoodGirl]

Bullies are pieces of shit and should have the shit kicked out of them on principle...end of story.

[Axeman]

In the words of Casper Gutman: "The shortest farewells are best: Adieu."