[herbie]

Oh fuel some people's moral outrage. Just think what this group of people are saying:
The "left" aren't Green enough
The Greens aren't "left" enough

Smoke must be coming out the eyes of the resident righties who want to drive rolling coal, heat their homes with whale oil and think Trump should appoint Mr Monopoly to head the consumer protection bureau!

[BartSimpson]

herbie herbie:

Smoke must be coming out the eyes of the resident righties who want to drive rolling coal, heat their homes with whale oil and think Trump should appoint Mr Monopoly to head the consumer protection bureau!

Making shit up and outraging yourself over it, are you?

[DrCaleb]

stratos stratos:

$1:

Where did I say I supported taking their assets?I'll wait.

Because this all started with me pointing out that this new party wanting to take any billionaires money over 999,999,999.99 is theft.

From that point forward everyone is trying to change the bar and arguing moral right to do something that they claim is wrong.

You seem to be siding with them. Sorry if I miss interpreting what you are trying to say.

You keep confusing everyone asking the question "is it morally right to take back from thieves" with the desire to actually do so. All we are debating is the morality of it.

The US and to some extent Canada have a long history of having laws created and written by the rich in order to keep them rich. There are also lots of tropes, like "the rich spend more, so they pay more taxes" that have never been shown to prove true. So why not increase tax rates for the rich? I can hear it now "But then all your rich people will leave". . . .And? If they weren't contributing their fair share, why do we need them? And where are they going to go where they can't earn their million dollars before lunch on January 2nd?

[herbie]

You mistake outrage for laughing my arse off?
At ppl scared and incessantly whining about the evils of socialism or environmentalism?

[stratos]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

stratos stratos:

$1:

Where did I say I supported taking their assets?I'll wait.

Because this all started with me pointing out that this new party wanting to take any billionaires money over 999,999,999.99 is theft.

From that point forward everyone is trying to change the bar and arguing moral right to do something that they claim is wrong.

You seem to be siding with them. Sorry if I miss interpreting what you are trying to say.

You keep confusing everyone asking the question "is it morally right to take back from thieves" with the desire to actually do so. All we are debating is the morality of it.

The US and to some extent Canada have a long history of having laws created and written by the rich in order to keep them rich. There are also lots of tropes, like "the rich spend more, so they pay more taxes" that have never been shown to prove true. So why not increase tax rates for the rich? I can hear it now "But then all your rich people will leave". . . .And? If they weren't contributing their fair share, why do we need them? And where are they going to go where they can't earn their million dollars before lunch on January 2nd?

In New York they kept raising the taxes on the top 1% and never seen an increase in tax revenue. They were actually losing tax revenue. The rich when told they were finding out that their taxes where going to go up MOVED out of the state.

The article clearly tells us the one of this new groups platform is to take away all the billionaire's money by taking anything over 999,999,999.99 from them. My point is one that is clearly theft and two no billionaire will be around to do that on the day they try to do it. They would all have moved.

From that people on here have been DEFENDING some small fringe political group right to do it. I have only been arguing that it would be theft. Then the bar was raised to moral right. Keep raising the bar you still lose. You are arguing for a political party upon gaining power (if it ever does) to take away someone's else's money just because they have more than you do.

[Thanos]

Not all the rich are thieves, although a large percentage of them are. I also don't dispute the right of anyone to hold on to as much of their wealth that they've fairly earned. I also have no patience at all though for the rich rigging the electoral systems by basically buying every politician they can, in certain cases buying off entire political parties, in order to ensure that laws and rules that benefit them (and only them) are put in place that ravage the middle/working/under-classes. Like, have all you want if you earn it but don't be so goddamn vicious to arrange the system to ensure legions of others have absolutely nothing.

Don't want that really angry revolution to happen one day? Then stop doing all the stupid and goddamn self-serving things that you can to make it inevitable, you greedy rotten motherfuckers. How fucking complicated is this for some of these rapacious sons of bitches to understand?

[BartSimpson]

herbie herbie:

You mistake outrage for laughing my arse off?
At ppl scared and incessantly whining about the evils of socialism or environmentalism?

Vote socialist all you want. That shit is not happening down here.

[Thanos]

It's not happening here either, Bart. And that's because providing a basic social safety net has nothing at all to do with hardcore authoritarian socialism. We're all blue in the face from having to say it over and over and over again but it remains the absolute truth.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

It's not happening here either, Bart. And that's because providing a basic social safety net has nothing at all to do with hardcore authoritarian socialism. We're all blue in the face from having to say it over and over and over again but it remains the absolute truth.

I've never said that welfare programs are socialism.

Socialism is socialism.

And these fucking retarded douchebags all calling for socialism have no fucking idea exactly what they're asking for.

They think socialism will mean green power and free electric cars and free healthcare for everyone. They think socialism will be like it is on Star Trek.

Except it never works out that way, does it?

Socialism always ends up turning authoritarian as the fuckers start stealing things for themselves and their cronies.

And anyone who isn't connected gets to live in poverty or else they get slaughtered by gutless little fuckers who suddenly turn into big men when no one is left to fight back against them.

It's always the same and so long as I live and breathe I swear before God and all that is Holy that I will not sit idly by if a socialist comes to power in my country.

NO. FUCKING. WAY.

[bootlegga]

stratos stratos:

"“[We would] abolish billionaires on the first day of our mandate by seizing all wealth exceeding $999,999,999.99 from any person living or doing business in our province,” claims the party’s platform. "

Well they admit the want to steel money.

Funny thing is let's say the do get elected to run a province. They wouldn't get a penny because all those billionaires would move. Not only do they not get that money but they would lose the tax revenue generated year after year from those billionaires.

I wouldn't support taking money they've already earned, but I sure as hell would support higher corporate taxes, estate taxes, and the removal of all sorts of write-offs and tax credits on capital gains that the wealthy use to pay little or no income tax.

And for those who say they'll just move elsewhere, let them.

If they want to do business here, they'll still pay corporate taxes. Apple would never pull out of the Canadian market because corporate taxes went up, they'd just pass on the cost to their customers. Those customers could then decide whether to keep buying Apple or switching to another cheaper product.

[Thanos]

$1:

A place to stay
Enough to eat
Somewhere old heroes shuffle safely down the street
Where you can speak out loud
About your doubts and fears
And what’s more,
No one ever disappears
You never hear their standard issue kicking in your door
You can relax on both sides of the tracks
And maniacs don’t blow holes in other people by remote control
And everyone has recourse to the law
And no one kills the children anymore
And no one kills the children anymore

It was never ever really supposed to be more complicated than this.

[Tricks]

stratos stratos:

$1:

Where did I say I supported taking their assets?I'll wait.

Because this all started with me pointing out that this new party wanting to take any billionaires money over 999,999,999.99 is theft.

From that point forward everyone is trying to change the bar and arguing moral right to do something that they claim is wrong.

You seem to be siding with them. Sorry if I miss interpreting what you are trying to say.

I assure you, I'm not siding with them. I'm merely questioning the morality of it. If rich people create an environment to extort the poor for their own ends, and use the wealth and power they've obtained to continually extort the poor, are the poor wrong for exacting (illegal) retribution?

[Tricks]

stratos stratos:

Tricks Tricks:

stratos stratos:

Fairy tail told to illicit feelings vs the bellow real life events.

When you here of theft to you side with the thief?

When someone demands you hand over your money because you have more than they do, do you hand it over.

Of course not. But I'm also not immoral piece of shit.

But you seem to be fine with the Gov. arbitrarily taking the money from someone. Only because they have more than you do so you are fine with it.

Theft is okay in your mind when it is being done to someone you don't like? Real moral high ground you claim to be standing on.

But to you, anything that's within the law is copacetic though? As long as it is legal, there can be no argument against someone in power actively doing something that fucks over the poor person/subordinate?

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

$1:

A place to stay
Enough to eat
Somewhere old heroes shuffle safely down the street
Where you can speak out loud
About your doubts and fears
And what’s more,
No one ever disappears
You never hear their standard issue kicking in your door
You can relax on both sides of the tracks
And maniacs don’t blow holes in other people by remote control
And everyone has recourse to the law
And no one kills the children anymore
And no one kills the children anymore

It was never ever really supposed to be more complicated than this.

Try this...

$1:

Making your way in the world today
Takes everything you got
Taking a break from all your worries
It sure would help a lot

Wouldn't you like to get away?
Sometimes you want to go
Where everybody knows your name
And they're always glad you came

You want to be where you can see
The troubles are all the same
You want to be where everybody knows your name
You want to go where people know
The people are all the same
You want to go where everybody knows your name

[Public_Domain]