[bootlegga]

This seems like a good place for this gem...

Impact of GM betrayal in Ontario doesn't come close to Alberta's oil trauma

$1:

There is no comparison between what happened in Ontario on Monday — the announced closing of a General Motors assembly plant — and the massive pain in Alberta’s oilpatch since 2014.

Before getting into it, let’s be clear that Albertans take no joy in other Canadians losing their jobs.

Scores of thousands of energy workers know how it feels. The individual pain is the same, whatever the impact on society at large.

About 2,500 Ontarians will be unemployed directly, and another 30,000 or so are expected to either be out of work or have their jobs seriously affected, because of GM’s Oshawa plant closure next year.

This is not trivial, especially after the Harper government put in more than $13 billion in 2009 to save GM and Chrysler.


Since 2015, the Liberals have added another $393 million in incentives to Ontario’s auto industry, according to federal Economic Development Minister Navdeep Bains.

More here:

https://calgaryherald.com/news/politics ... t-and-more

[bootlegga]

herbie herbie:

Living near Prince George, I've never seen a Chevy Volt in the dealer showroom or on the road. I read the City bought a Bolt, but never seen one of those, a Tesla, or a Nissan Leaf except on TV.
Yet ALL the taxis are Prius, and there's lots of those on the road here.

A co-worker bought a Volt a few years ago, and it's fine as a straight to work and home again commuter, but not much use otherwise. It's range tops out at 60 KMs or so, dropping to 40 KMs in the winter.

herbie herbie:

Perhaps I will see some EVs soon,
New vehicle sales to be 100 per cent zero-emission by 2040, under B.C.'s electrification plan
Under the new goals, by 2025, 10 per cent of new light-duty passenger vehicle sales in B.C. will be zero-emission vehicles, increasing to 30 per cent by 2030, and 100 per cent by 2040.

They also announced continued incentives for EVs and Hydrogen vehicles.

We can hope, but you can't force consumers to buy vehicles they don't want, and right now, EVs are vehicles only the most committed environmentalists are willing to buy. EVs need to come a long way before Joe/Jane Sixpack will trade in the Pick-up/SUV/Minivan for one.

Even if BCers do make the switchover, where is all the electricity going to come from to recharge all these EVs?

Site C won't be enough, and I doubt BC can install enough solar and wind turbines in the next two decades to even come close to providing enough power for a few million EVs.

[llama66]

I've seen dozens of Tesla's.. or maybe I just saw the same Tesla dozens of times.

[Thanos]

bootlegga bootlegga:

This seems like a good place for this gem...

Impact of GM betrayal in Ontario doesn't come close to Alberta's oil trauma

Donny Braid is an Albertan treasure. No bullshit, no hyperbole, just facts and truth.

$1:

Before getting into it, let’s be clear that Albertans take no joy in other Canadians losing their jobs.

Got that right. This thing in Oshawa is goddamn awful. I only wish that other Canadians had thought the same thing when Alberta got torpedoed. Judging by the comments posted on the CBC website whenever they have a new article about the destruction of the O&G industry I still remain convinced unfortunately that there's a huge portion of Canadians out there that are ecstatically happy with what happened to the West. That streak of petty sadism that gets off on the misery of others lives just as huge and fiery in the hearts of the Canadian hard-left as it does in the MAGA cretins on the hard right in the US.

[Coach85]

bootlegga bootlegga:

herbie herbie:

Living near Prince George, I've never seen a Chevy Volt in the dealer showroom or on the road. I read the City bought a Bolt, but never seen one of those, a Tesla, or a Nissan Leaf except on TV.
Yet ALL the taxis are Prius, and there's lots of those on the road here.

A co-worker bought a Volt a few years ago, and it's fine as a straight to work and home again commuter, but not much use otherwise. It's range tops out at 60 KMs or so, dropping to 40 KMs in the winter.

It’s range is about 300-400km.

I would typically get 70-80km’s of pure EV range, even in the winter and the another 250-300km with the generator. The new Volts gave better batteries that aren’t as effected by the cold.

[herbie]

See what I meant? Such piss poor marketing that a lot of people, if not most think the Volt is an EV. It's a hybrid. And if you go to work in it 5 days a week, there's a tank of gas you didn't have to buy. If you're off to the cottage, then you fill up.
You don't buy an EV to drive from Vancouver to Calgary, that's not a "trip" it's an experiment!

[BRAH]

We have lost the equivalent of over 9 Oshawa GM plants in just construction jobs on 4 pipelines - 2 cancelled, 2 stalled.

Small town AB understands what Oshawa is going to go through next.

In the meantime, Trudeau's off to the G20 to talk about gender

https://twitter.com/SheilaGunnReid/status/1067200024537223172
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[Thanos]

BRAH BRAH:

We have lost the equivalent of over 9 Oshawa GM plants in just construction jobs on 4 pipelines - 2 cancelled, 2 stalled.

Small town AB understands what Oshawa is going to go through next.

In the meantime, Trudeau's off to the G20 to talk about gender

https://twitter.com/SheilaGunnReid/status/1067200024537223172
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Must be, say, a purely Canadian quirk to run a country this way. Sigh.

[BeaverFever]

Coach85 Coach85:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Most of Oshawa is kind of a shithole. Dirty factory town, downtown is all slummy and rundown, the waterfront is all warehouses and scrapyards and abandoned industrial properties, there’s barely a blade of grass to be seen anywhere, and the people who live in the city centre match the surrounding scenery. It’s like Hamilton, typical rundown rustbelt town.

It's clear you haven't visited in quite a while. I live not far from Oshawa. About 20 minutes away. I'm in Oshawa often with the kids or for other errands.

Oshawa has come a long way. Are there shitty parts of Oshawa? Sure....but it's come a long way since the days of the Dirty 'Shwa.

Oshawa has done a great job at diversifying itself. With the new 407 running through, the University, etc....they'll be just fine.

Like Hamilton the middle class locals just dealt with the decay by basically abandoning it and building miles of cookie-cutter subdivisions on the city’s northern periphery. But that’s basically your typical suburban, empty-sidewalk, big-box store car country thay look like any other town in North America, it’s not the city centre and AFAIK most of the people who live there never venture into the city core. The parts of Oshawa that are unique are still dirty. Despite being along the shores of a Great Lake there’s still no waterfront park or even waterfront homes, virtually the entire length is all industrial wasteland or abandoned industrial wasteland. It’s got a long way to go.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

BRAH BRAH:

We have lost the equivalent of over 9 Oshawa GM plants in just construction jobs on 4 pipelines - 2 cancelled, 2 stalled.

Small town AB understands what Oshawa is going to go through next.

In the meantime, Trudeau's off to the G20 to talk about gender

https://twitter.com/SheilaGunnReid/status/1067200024537223172
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Must be, say, a purely Canadian quirk to run a country this way. Sigh.

Because it's 2018 or something.

[DrCaleb]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Based on Tesla's checkered history with the Model 3 and the EV semi, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a Tesla pick-up.

The Model 3 is the #6 best selling car in California.

Tesla Semi secures another order for electric trucks ahead of launch (Nov 18, 2018)

Grocery Giant Plans to Buy 10 Tesla Electric Tractors (Nov 26, 2018)

Tesla Pickup Truck: Elon Musk hints at accelerated plan for electric pickup (Nov 19, 2018)

I'd say where GM is waning, Tesla is waxing.

llama66 llama66:

I've seen dozens of Tesla's.. or maybe I just saw the same Tesla dozens of times.

I've seen perhaps a half dozen, mostly Model S. One Model X. There is a nice S in our parking lot at work, but I don't know who owns it. And it's still there everyday, despite the snow.

[Tricks]

Tesla needs to tighten up their logistics. They have a problem with repairs that really needs solving before it's going to be a viable alternative to most people.

[llama66]

Tricks Tricks:

Tesla needs to tighten up their logistics. They have a problem with repairs that really needs solving before it's going to be a viable alternative to most people.

Charging stations also need to be more widespread for them to be viable.

[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

Tesla needs to tighten up their logistics. They have a problem with repairs that really needs solving before it's going to be a viable alternative to most people.

Tesla is a car company created in the last decade out of thin air. I expect there to be problems. But they get worked out. GM is more than 100 years old. Their problem is they haven't been very agile. That's why Tesla is taking their market away.

Not to mention at the same time, the guy created a Space launch company and a rapid transit company also out of thin air. No wonder he acts like an ass, the guy probably doesn't sleep.

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

Tesla needs to tighten up their logistics. They have a problem with repairs that really needs solving before it's going to be a viable alternative to most people.

Tesla is a car company created in the last decade out of thin air. I expect there to be problems. But they get worked out. GM is more than 100 years old. Their problem is they haven't been very agile. That's why Tesla is taking their market away.

Not to mention at the same time, the guy created a Space launch company and a rapid transit company also out of thin air. No wonder he acts like an ass, the guy probably doesn't sleep.

No doubt, I think Tesla has a lot of potential. And it's obviously going to have growing pains, but I don't see it being as widespread as a major company like toyota or ford until they tighten up their operation by a significant amount.