[Freakinoldguy]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Any country who takes her will endanger everyone in their country, but firstly all citizens in Pakistan. It's easy to make big commitments when you're not responsible for the outcome. Actually, I'd expect some of the Trumpers to be divided on this issue. I'd love to see her here but I fully understand how difficult that would be to accomplish.

So, your finally admitting that some of the "peaceful Muslims" we've allowed into our country aren't all that peaceful?

Well it's a start.

Now if we could just get the rest of you left wingers to stop demanding we give succor to people who want us to bow to their hateful 12th century death cult we might just be getting somewhere.

As for this poor woman, allow me to point out that Trudeau wouldn't be responsible for the outcome of bringing her to Canada, the Muslims in Canada would be. So, if we brought her here and these people committed violent acts either against her or this country then, we'd have all the reason in the world to send them packing. But apparently that's the not what our "Diversity is our strength" PM, or for that matter any other cowardly western leader wants, which is telling.

So, these brave world leaders would rather watch an innocent woman be killed than admit that some of the immigrants, refugees and border jumpers they've willingly allowed into their countries aren't here because they want safe haven but, because they want to change our country into theirs.

I don't know whom you think you're talking to here. What's this 'finally admitting' nonsense you accuse me of? I don't support open borders and I have been aware of the Asia Bibi case for years from my Pakistani friends, one of whom is a Christian BTW.

Again, 'left wingers'? In no developed country other than the US would I be considered even slightly leftie. My Canadian votes have been for Liberal and PC candidates and I would have voted for Garneau over the current leader had I been a member of the federal party. Chretien and Mulroney are people I happily voted for. No sane person considers them left wing.

If we bring her and her family here, we will have to protect her. It will be tricky but we can minimize the risk.

Finally, you might want to look up what 'begs the question' means,

Maybe your name threw me off but, apparently I had mistakenly pegged you for a pro refugee/open border person. Although I see that given your last reply, you're not. So please accept my apology.

And yes. We can bring her to Canada and yes we can minimize the risk. First off we don't need to let anyone know she's in our county or where she's going to be living. If they can do that for the witness protection program and our local perverts it should be easy to do for one foreign woman. Hell, most people, radical Muslims included wouldn't know her if they tripped over her and so, as long as some idiot in the media doesn't go hunting her or someone in the Gov't doesn't open their piehole about her location she should be perfectly safe.

But, what's bothering me the most is the fact that this Gov't has been on us since before they were elected about doing the right thing for refugees by letting them into the country. But, now that they have an actual chance to walk the walk for someone with a clear cut need they turn tail and run citing "security and safety" concerns. It's utter bullshit and I wonder who in Trudeau's gov't is making sure that the decision in this case is to ignore the problem and hope it goes away.

BTW now that we're on the same page about this issue I don't think it would be appropriate for me to express my views about people on the internet who act as the grammar police.

[Sunnyways]

I sounded a bit hysterical there, FOG.

Anyway, let's hope JT and Imran Khan do the right thing and let her settle in Canada. We can't be intimidated by fanatics.

[Sunnyways]

martin14 martin14:

If we bring her and her family here, we will have to protect her.
No, FOG has it right.
You are perfectly happy to spend unlimited amounts of government money
to bring this person over, and provide protection, and extra money for security in Pakistan and other Muslim countries, and government money for this, and government money for that....

All so you can feel better.

You fit the left wing well.

I think she’s worth the risk.

[Freakinoldguy]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

I sounded a bit hysterical there, FOG.

Anyway, let's hope JT and Imran Khan do the right thing and let her settle in Canada. We can't be intimidated by fanatics.

[martin14]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

martin14 martin14:

If we bring her and her family here, we will have to protect her.
No, FOG has it right.
You are perfectly happy to spend unlimited amounts of government money
to bring this person over, and provide protection, and extra money for security in Pakistan and other Muslim countries, and government money for this, and government money for that....

All so you can feel better.

You fit the left wing well.

I think she’s worth the risk.

As long as it's not your money, everyone is.

[Fighter]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Pakistan faces cultural challenges - South Asian corruption, feudalism and misogyny plus Islamic fanaticism etc. - and on top of all that a catastrophically exploding population and world record breaking heat thanks to climate change. I cannot but feel sympathy for anybody who wins an election there.

It can be said for all countries in South Asia. As far as Islamist fanaticism is concerned....Please don't blow it out of proportion....Pakistanis as a nation never voted any Islamist into power, meaning they don't have public support by and large

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Fighter Fighter:

llama66 llama66:

I notice you didn't address a single comment. curious.

It's 2:09 a.am here as of now...I go busy from 12 pm to 9 pm. I am feeling I can't be that dedicated member of this forum as I used to be...After coming from work, I feel tired.

I will see what I can and where I can

Lets see where my work-life balance goes

What do you guys say: Good night, sweet dreams

Great Picture, Thank. you.

You're Welcome

[N_Fiddledog]

Asia Bibi family being hunted 'house to house' in Pakistan

$1:

The family of Asia Bibi, the Christian woman who spent eight years on death row in Pakistan for blasphemy before being acquitted three weeks ago, claim they are being hunted by extremists going house to house with their photographs to try to track them down.

Bibi’s family have been in hiding since her acquittal by the country’s supreme court. She is in protective custody as part of a deal between the government and a hardline Islamic party, under which violent protests were called off while a review of the court ruling was undertaken.

Bibi’s lawyer, relatives and supporters have appealed for the family to be given asylum in a European or north American country. Several countries have indicated their willingness to offer a home, but nothing concrete has emerged.

John Pontifex, of Aid to the Church in Need UK (ACN), which has campaigned on Bibi’s behalf since she was convicted and sentenced to death in 2010, said he had been in almost daily contact with her family over the past three weeks and they were very frightened.

“They have told me that mullahs had been reported in their neighbourhood going from house to house showing photos of family members on their phones, trying to hunt them down,” he told the Guardian.

“The family have had to move from place to place to avoid detection. Sometimes they can only operate after sundown. They have had to cover their faces when they go out in public. They have had to remove the rosary that hangs from their car rear-view mirror for fear of attack.”

Pontifex said the family’s faith was “sustaining them in this time of acute danger”. He added: “They say that if they are not allowed to find a future outside Pakistan, the fear is that sooner or later something terrible might happen to them.”

Bibi’s lawyer, who fled Pakistan shortly after the court ruling saying his life was in danger, said this week that talks on asylum were under way with several European countries. “I hope the western world is trying to help her,” Saiful Malook told reporters in Frankfurt.

Canada, Spain and France are thought to have offered asylum to Bibi. Germany and Italy have reportedly held talks with Pakistan on the issue.

The UK government has declined to answer questions about whether it is considering an offer of asylum, saying it does not want to further endanger Bibi and her family.

The former foreign secretary Boris Johnson and many other MPs and peers have called for the UK government to act. Some reports have suggested that the government fears a backlash among British Muslims of Pakistani heritage if it offers Bibi asylum.

On Tuesday, Sayeeda Warsi told the House of Lords: “There have been press reports that Asia Bibi, if granted asylum in the United Kingdom, would potentially not be safe from some communities here … As someone who is deeply connected to British Muslim communities, I assure her that they are fully supportive of any asylum claim that Asia Bibi may have and that our country may afford her, and that she would be supported as she would be by all other communities in this country.”

The Muslim Council of Britain said in a tweet: “There are unfounded media reports that Pakistani national Asia Bibi is being denied asylum into the UK because of concerns from British Muslims. We find such insinuations to be as nonsensical as they are divisive. We see no reason why Asia Bibi should be denied asylum into the UK.”

After Bibi’s acquittal, Islamic hardliners called for her and the judges in the case to be killed, and they mounted protests that brought cities to a standstill. Pakistan’s prime minister, Imran Khan, has been accused of capitulating to their demands.

Bibi, a farm labourer, was accused by Muslim villagers of insulting the prophet Muhammad in a row over a cup of water. The supreme court judgment said there was no evidence to support the charge.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... n-pakistan

[martin14]

'Blasphemy' mum flies to freedom: Devout Christian Asia Bibi who was facing the death penalty in Pakistan is on her way to Canada to reunite with her daughters after months of jail hell

Asia Bibi was accused by Pakistani villagers of insulting the Prophet Mohammed
Ms Bibi, 53, has not been able to leave the country amid furious protests
She was on death row for nine years but cleared by the a court in October

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -home.html

Seems she may finally be out.

[Freakinoldguy]

martin14 martin14:

'Blasphemy' mum flies to freedom: Devout Christian Asia Bibi who was facing the death penalty in Pakistan is on her way to Canada to reunite with her daughters after months of jail hell

Asia Bibi was accused by Pakistani villagers of insulting the Prophet Mohammed
Ms Bibi, 53, has not been able to leave the country amid furious protests
She was on death row for nine years but cleared by the a court in October

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -home.html

Seems she may finally be out.

It took long enough for the Pakistani gov't to get her out. But in this instance it's a case of better late than never especially since she was marked for death and her flight to freedom constituted a huge problem for the moderate portion of their Gov't.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

'Blasphemy' mum flies to freedom: Devout Christian Asia Bibi who was facing the death penalty in Pakistan is on her way to Canada to reunite with her daughters after months of jail hell

Asia Bibi was accused by Pakistani villagers of insulting the Prophet Mohammed
Ms Bibi, 53, has not been able to leave the country amid furious protests
She was on death row for nine years but cleared by the a court in October

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -home.html

Seems she may finally be out.

And another illegal border jumper goes to the head of the queue.

[llama66]

Happy she's out of a country where some wanted to kill her for her religion.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

Happy she's out of a country where some wanted to kill her for her religion.

Amen to that!

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And another illegal border jumper goes to the head of the queue.

But this one's a Christian. Is that even legal under the Trudeau regime?

[llama66]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And another illegal border jumper goes to the head of the queue.

But this one's a Christian. Is that even legal under the Trudeau regime?

Probably not, they probably timed it so he was apologizing to preschoolers for having them inherit a fundamentally fucked Canada.

[Sunnyways]

Without Christians, how would Pakistan keep its toilets clean?

$1:

Many Pakistani Christians – who are about 2% of the population – are children of converts to Christianity from the downtrodden “untouchable” Hindu tribal caste – they are sometimes called “chuhra” (a modern equivalent might be something like “toilet cleaner”). Their families converted in the late 19th to early 20th centuries in the villages of what is now the central Punjab of Pakistan. This “untouchable” caste status is at the root of several blasphemy charges against Christians.

...Five years ago, World Watch Monitor reported on the disproportionate number of Pakistani Christians in sewerage or sanitary work, or sweeping the streets. These roles, hazardous for health, and sometimes causing death, are considered demeaning for Muslims. Sanitary workers, mostly illiterate, also often live in illegal settlements that lack basic amenities.

World Watch Monitor’s article came out when the current federal defence minister, Pervez Khattak, then Chief Minister of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, publicly stated that “non-Muslims will be recruited as sweepers”.

https://en.s4c.news/2018/11/09/untoucha ... -cleaners/