[BartSimpson]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Also note that a key suspect in this topic of low sperm counts is BPA, which is not a food additive but found in many kinds of plastics such as water bottles and cans and leeches into food and drinks. . BPA was recently banned in baby bottles but remains perfectly legal in anything else.

Bisphenol A is an endocrine disruptor and it emulates estrogen.

Which may explain why Western men these days look and act so damned feminine.



...and what men used to look like:

[DrCaleb]

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But things like fruits and vegetables.

Perishables aren't shipped. And more often than not, nothing is shipped. The trend is to buy aid staples locally, thereby increasing the local economy.

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That's an interesting phenomenon I didn't know about! Thought none of them mentioned glyphosate, only fertilizer. And there is engineering being done to reduce the amount of fertilizer needed, to address this exact problem.

There are other studies that I didn't cite. Eg: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 6X14000228

In the thousands of years we've been farming, it was found that rotating a crop was the way to produce consistent results without fertilizer. If fertilizer was needed, composted manure worked well. Including human manure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_rotation

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Definitely agree, trying to farm in an area that doesn't support it isn't exactly smart. But my argument is that organic farming produces about 80% the yield that conventional farming does. Right now, that's still enough, but considering population projections, and (as Beave rightly pointed out) with our waste, is that going to continue to be enough.

Then we should not encourage people to start farming again in the Western Sahara! That's what I've been saying!

Monocultures, like we do now, require pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers. Get rid of the single crop farms, get rid of the need to use harsh chemicals. Stop feeding people food to animals, eat fewer animals, and then we have more food for people. Problem solved!

Global warming is going to start making more of the planet uninhabitable, like the middle east, the Sahara and the Australian outback. That will take care of some population too.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Compare the US Gulf of Mexico and West coast to Africa's southern coasts.

Please do. They're completely different things.

My perspective was more on the dead zones from fertilizer. The US uses more that the rest of the world, and it's oceans show it. Africans mostly can't afford it, as you can see from their dead zone map. South Africa is the only country in that area to use modern farming methods, and it has the dead zones.

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

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But things like fruits and vegetables.

Perishables aren't shipped. And more often than not, nothing is shipped. The trend is to buy aid staples locally, thereby increasing the local economy.

Learn something new every day.

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There are other studies that I didn't cite. Eg: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 6X14000228

So if it travels into the sea water it breaks down fairly quick. Doesn't seem this commented on damage being done, just how long it would last in that specific environment. It calls for more study on any potential damage, which I think is smart.

Secondly it says this:

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For example, glyphosate binds strongly to organic matter (Solomon and Thompson, 2003) and is therefore considered to have a low potential for offsite transport (Barceló and Hennion, 2003).

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In the thousands of years we've been farming, it was found that rotating a crop was the way to produce consistent results without fertilizer. If fertilizer was needed, composted manure worked well. Including human manure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_rotation

Yep that's how my uncle does it, I don't think that's a bad idea at all. (Not the human manure part )

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Then we should not encourage people to start farming again in the Western Sahara! That's what I've been saying!

I can get on board with that.

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Monocultures, like we do now, require pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers. Get rid of the single crop farms, get rid of the need to use harsh chemicals. Stop feeding people food to animals, eat fewer animals, and then we have more food for people. Problem solved!

You're always going to require pesticides and herbicides, unless it's built into the plant.

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Global warming is going to start making more of the planet uninhabitable, like the middle east, the Sahara and the Australian outback. That will take care of some population too.

Truth.

[DrCaleb]

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Learn something new every day.

That's how you know you had a good day.

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Yep that's how my uncle does it, I don't think that's a bad idea at all. (Not the human manure part )

Don't dismiss things out of hand! Properly composted, it's just as safe. And nitrates are nitrates. Seems like a waste just to dump them into a river and have them kill fish.