[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

I already linked to the full email exchange above your post.

And those quotes were from your link.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

As it now seems this Ms. Chirois is little more than some rep within the department. One has to wonder, how many of these "spokespersons" did Neil have to contact before he came across one who would produce the right insinuation?

Only approved spokespeople can respond to reporters. There is usually only one per department, and they will have staff supporting them. That's the way government works.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Also, and again it doesn't matter. The Government is now officially saying MacDonald's claim is a bunch of hooey.

And yet, you linked to the email exchange showing it isn't.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Only approved spokespeople can respond to reporters. There is usually only one per department, and they will have staff supporting them. That's the way government works.

Except the CBC itself winds up quoting two. In its original story it is calling Josee Charois, Steve Blaney's personal spokesperson.

Later when the government issues a denial the CBC calls Jeremy Laurin, Blaney's personal spokesman.

Charois then gets demoted by the CBC to being referred to as simply a department spokesperson.

So let's assume you are correct and there can only be one spokesperson. Let's further assume the CBC is now correct in saying Blaney's spokesperson is not Charois. It is Jeremy Laurin. Why would Charois' opinion of what hate laws might be useful for even matter?

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Only approved spokespeople can respond to reporters. There is usually only one per department, and they will have staff supporting them. That's the way government works.

Except the CBC itself winds up quoting two. In its original story it is calling Josee Charois, Steve Blaney's personal spokesperson.

Later when the government issues a denial the CBC calls Jeremy Laurin, Blaney's personal spokesman.

Charois get demoted to then being referred to as simply a department spokesperson.

I love it when you get tied up in minutia! hehehe. When a reporter asks a Minister a question, he expects to get a response from the Minister's spokesperson. So, he got a response that he thought was from the Ministers Spokesperson. But instead, he got a response from the Ministry Spokesperson. Oh no! End of the world! He got a detail wrong! Ohmygodwahtareweallgonnado!

It doesn't change the email exchange that you linked to, that shows what the government's official response is!

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

When a reporter asks a Minister a question, he expects to get a response from the Minister's spokesperson. So, he got a response that he thought was from the Ministers Spokesperson. But instead, he got a response from the Ministry Spokesperson.

So you mean Neil MacDonald doesn't know who Steve Blaney's spokesperson was?

Apparently it was important to him to get Blaney's opinion specifically, because when Charois (whoever she was) was trying to send MacDonald to a different department that was waiting to talk to him, he insisted...

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For the record, and I want to be quite clear, I am asking what the public safety minister, whose authority includes intelligence and law enforcement, meant

But CBC now tells us Charois is not Blaney's spokesperson. Are you saying MacDonald didn't know that? What a blunderer.

But Neil is pretty sure she was some kind of spokesperson for something, right? Cause if it doesn't really matter Mags down in accounting thinks it was all 'Aliens' most likely responsible for the Jews and the boycotting and all that.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

But Neil is pretty sure she was some kind of spokesperson for something, right? Cause if it doesn't really matter Mags down in accounting thinks it was all 'Aliens' most likely responsible for the Jews and the boycotting and all that.

Like I said, I love it when you get like this. Do you have any other assumptions that are also irrelevant to the fact that the government is perfectly wiling to file criminal code hate speech charges against people who use their Charter right of Free Speech, and their Capitalist right to not buy things from sources they don't want to?

And also like I said, only authorized spokespersons are allowed to respond to reporters. The authorized spokesperson consults with the Minister, or Deputy Minister before responding. So, the email you linked to, is the official government response. 'Mags' down in accounting never has access to the email to begin with. But hey, rant on about other absurdities if it makes you feel good!

[Lemmy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I love it when you get tied up in minutia! hehehe.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But hey, rant on about other absurdities if it makes you feel good!

Typical conspiracy-nut behaviour. Doesn't matter what the conspiracy is: 9/11 truthers, climate change deniers, birthers, vaccination, fluoride, Area 51, moon landing, New World Order/Jewish/Muslim/Freemason conspiracies...all of them follow the same pattern. Sad and hilarious at the same time.

[N_Fiddledog]

Lemmy Lemmy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I love it when you get tied up in minutia! hehehe.

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

But hey, rant on about other absurdities if it makes you feel good!

Typical conspiracy-nut behaviour. Doesn't matter what the conspiracy is: 9/11 truthers, climate change deniers, birthers, Area 51, moon landing, New World Order/Jewish/Muslim/Freemason conspiracies...all of them follow the same pattern. Sad and hilarious at the same time.

Hang on a sec there Professor. The only one with a Conspiracy theory here so far is Neil MacDonald, and as usual it concerns da Joos.

Neil is worried da Joos are in cahoots with the government to use hate laws to enslave the populace or some such thing.

The government says that's nonsense.

I would think that official explanation from Steve Blaney's official spokesperson would make a super special "Canadian" libertarian (whatever that is) like yourself happy. 'Hooray were saved' is what you should be saying. 'Neil's conspiracy theory is rubbish. The Conservatives and those damned Jews are not out to get us after all.'

But instead you seem to be saying if there is no conspiracy theory then that's the conspiracy theory. Huh? Is that the way this super special secret "Canadian" Libertarian sect you tell us you belong to is supposed to work?

[Lemmy]

Like I said, sad and yet hilarious at the same time.

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The government says that's nonsense.

The Government The Government:

Good evening Neil,

As previously mentioned, DFATD will be addressing your questions regarding the work being done with Israel regarding BDS.

With regards to Canadian criminal law, I can tell you that Canada has one of the most comprehensive sets of laws against hate crime anywhere in the world. There are three existing hate propaganda provisions in the *Criminal Code*: advocating or promoting genocide against an identifiable group (subsection 318(1) of the Criminal Code); inciting hatred in a public place against an identifiable group that is likely to cause a breach of the peace
(subsection 319(1) of the Criminal Code) and wilfully promoting hatred against an identifiable group (subsection 319(2) of the Criminal Code). “Identifiable group” includes any section of the public distinguished by, among other characteristics, religion or national or ethnic origin. Section 320 of the *Criminal Code* provides for the seizure and forfeiture of hate propaganda kept for sale or distribution in premises within the jurisdiction of the court. Section 320.1 authorizes a judge to order the deletion of hate propaganda stored on and made available to the public through a computer system within the jurisdiction of the court.

In addition, the *Criminal Code* of Canada has specific legislation to address crimes motivated by hate. Paragraph 718.2(a)(i) of the *Criminal Code* provides that evidence that an offence was motivated by hate, bias or prejudice, including that based on national or ethnic origin or religion, shall be considered by the judge when determining the sentence of an offender.

Section 430(4.1) of the *Criminal Code* also creates a specific crime of mischief in relation to a building that is primarily used for religious worship, including a church, mosque or synagogue or a cemetery, where the mischief is motivated by bias, prejudice, or hate based on religion, race, colour or national or ethnic origin.

In addition, the Communities at Risk: Security Infrastructure Program helps communities fight against hate-motivated crimes. It is an example of our Government’s strong commitment to preventing crime and making our streets safe. This program invests in security infrastructure enhancements at not-for-profit community centres, educational institutions, and places of worship linked to a community with a history of being victimized by hate-motivated crime. This program helps to ensure community members can practice their faith, culture, and activities peacefully, without fear of harm. We will not allow hate crimes to undermine our way of life, which is based on diversity and inclusion.

Kind regards,

Josée

Josée Sirois
Spokesperson / Porte-parole
Media Relations / Relations avec les médias
Public Safety Canada / Sécurité publique Canada

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And also like I said, only authorized spokespersons are allowed to respond to reporters. The authorized spokesperson consults with the Minister, or Deputy Minister before responding. So, the email you linked to, is the official government response. 'Mags' down in accounting never has access to the email to begin with. But hey, rant on about other absurdities if it makes you feel good!

Josees Sirois is a spokesperson for media relations for public safety Canada. She is an official who will respond to media when they send the department a voicemail. She is not Steve Blaney's personal spokesperson. She therefore has no business purporting to speak for Blaney if that's what we're to believe she was doing.

Blaney does however have a personal spokesperson, and he says Neil's conspiracy theory that the government is going to use hate laws to get the boycotters is ridiculous.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

The government says that's nonsense.

[a minor official who responds to media voicemails [a minor official who responds to media voicemails:

Good evening Neil....

Fixed that for you.

This is the official word from the spokesman representing the guy MacDonald claimed he actually wanted a reply from.

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Jeremy Laurin, a spokesman for Blaney, said that "this story[hate laws used to stop boycotts] is inaccurate and ridiculous."​

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tories- ... -1.3069723

[Zipperfish]

So what do you think Blaney meant when, addressing the UN, he said he would have "zero tolerance" for people who advocated boycotting Israel?

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

So what do you think Blaney meant when, addressing the UN, he said he would have "zero tolerance" for people who advocated boycotting Israel?

Honestly? I don't have any more of an idea there than that poor little media relations girl did. My opinion would be worth no more than hers was.

And to be even more honest, I'm glad Blaney now has his representative swearing he will not use that scarey new bill to go after boycotters for hate crimes.

If the only issue here was whether that bill sucks, I'd be on your side, but it's not. What the actual issue is here is opinion is not news.

Neil MacDonald has an opinion. Media relations girl has an opinion.

The official government response is Neil's conspiracy theory is nothing to worry about. Boycotters are not going to be hate lawed.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

And to be even more honest, I'm glad Blaney now has his representative swearing he will not use that scarey new bill to go after boycotters for hate crimes.

You and me both. Too many frickin' thin-skinned people these days trying to tell you what to do, how to act, how to dress, what you're allowed to say. Too many busybodies worried about what everybody else is up to.