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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:00 am
Promoting multiculturalism over cultural blending and "unity" leads to one of the worst of human failings: "My tribe is better than your tribe. Our ways are more civilized than yours. As a matter of fact, our people are a more developed form of human than yours"
I'm sure that there is a deep biological reason for this "urge". 100,000 years ago when the current model of Homo was differentiating from our cousin Hominids, it was a mechanism to guarantee that we breed "true". It has long outlived it's usefulness.
Every group that I know of can fall into this trap but official multiculturalism just reinforces it and passes it down to the next generation, or two, three of immigrant children. We are far better off, in the long run as a blended mishy-mosh than as a "quilt".
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:08 am
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: Promoting multiculturalism over cultural blending and "unity" leads to one of the worst of human failings: "My tribe is better than your tribe. Our ways are more civilized than yours. As a matter of fact, our people are a more developed form of human than yours"
I'm sure that there is a deep biological reason for this "urge". 100,000 years ago when the current model of Homo was differentiating from our cousin Hominids, it was a mechanism to guarantee that we breed "true". It has long outlived it's usefulness.
Every group that I know of can fall into this trap but official multiculturalism just reinforces it and passes it down to the next generation, or two, three of immigrant children. We are far better off, in the long run as a blended mishy-mosh than as a "quilt". Wow! I suspected you were an old codger, but I'd never suspected such deep seated eugenics streak in you! Did you know various genomes from regions of Europe show disticnt degrees of Neanderthal DNA? The further out you go from Europe toward Asia, the lesser the degree of these genes appear. Is that "breeding true" enough for ya? http://discovermagazine.com/2013/march/ ... anderthals
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JaredMilne 
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Posts: 1465
Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:42 pm
I've played Devil's Advocate for Quebec to my fellow Anglos on multiple occasions, including on this forum. However, I won't defend this-this Charter is just further proof that, out of all 13 provincial and territorial Premiers, Pauline Marois is by far the stupidest. She deserves to have the Opposition bring down her government, and not just for this. Marois has also botched many other issues, and in any event I've read about how polls suggest that most "Québécois dans la rue" are more concerned about things like jobs and health care-you know, the same things that the rest of us are worried about. The really sad thing is that Quebec has already had a solution in its grasp, and of its own making, for quite a while now. The recent Taylor-Bouchard report on reasonable accommodation promoted the idea of "interculturalism", whereby the founding Francophone culture of Quebec is subsequently developed and enriched by new arrivals and ideas. It was also noted that Quebec has had this idea in one form or another since the 1980s. What's remarkable is that the separatist intellectual Gérard Bouchard, Lucien Bouchard's brother, has been one of its prime advocates. For what it's worth, he also declared that Quebec turning its back on English would be "criminal."Another Quebecer, Jocelyn Létourneau, has suggested that Stephen Harper is playing up Canada's British roots as a means of assuaging similar concerns among Anglophones about multiculturalism. And finally, it's worth pointing out that last year, even separatists were calling the Charter of Secularism a bad idea, pointing out that chickens aren't necessarily keen on supporting Colonel Sanders...
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Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:35 pm
Frankly if everyone in Parliament smoked a little weed things would probably get done faster. 
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:28 am
Wow! I suspected you were an old codger, but I'd never suspected such deep seated eugenics streak in you!
Did you know various genomes from regions of Europe show disticnt degrees of Neanderthal DNA? The further out you go from Europe toward Asia, the lesser the degree of these genes appear.
Is that "breeding true" enough for ya?
Actually, I am arguing that the need for such behaviour has long since disappeared. Yes, we "bred true" for a long period. We are all descended from as few as three individuals. I suspect that the root of everyone's racism (and I mean EVERYONE) is that ancient and OBSOLETE urge to be with/reproduce with those like ourselves.
You really do derive more information that there is from these posts.
... better Science, Man! ... more critical thinking!!!
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:42 am
llama66 llama66: I don't see this surviving a constitutional challenge. Quebec will just use the Notwithstanding Clause and give the finger to the Supreme Court. They've done it in the past.
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:56 am
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: You really do derive more information that there is from these posts.
... better Science, Man! ... more critical thinking!!! Complete sentences Man! Write what you are thinking, not the half of the message you feel like writing!
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:05 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Wow! I suspected you were an old codger, but I'd never suspected such deep seated eugenics streak in you! Did you know various genomes from regions of Europe show disticnt degrees of Neanderthal DNA? The further out you go from Europe Holland toward Asia, the lesser the degree of these genes appear. Is that "breeding true" enough for ya? http://discovermagazine.com/2013/march/ ... anderthalsFTFY
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:08 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: You really do derive more information that there is from these posts.
... better Science, Man! ... more critical thinking!!! Complete sentences Man! Write what you are thinking, not the half of the message you feel like writing! That is the nature of the medium. These are not academic theses.
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:20 am
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: DrCaleb DrCaleb: Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: You really do derive more information that there is from these posts.
... better Science, Man! ... more critical thinking!!! Complete sentences Man! Write what you are thinking, not the half of the message you feel like writing! That is the nature of the medium. These are not academic theses. Academic feces is more like it. 
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:39 am
Zipperfish Zipperfish: Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: DrCaleb DrCaleb: Complete sentences Man! Write what you are thinking, not the half of the message you feel like writing! That is the nature of the medium. These are not academic theses. Academic feces is more like it.  Piled Higher and deeper.
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:00 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: Promoting multiculturalism over cultural blending and "unity" leads to one of the worst of human failings: "My tribe is better than your tribe. Our ways are more civilized than yours. As a matter of fact, our people are a more developed form of human than yours"
I'm sure that there is a deep biological reason for this "urge". 100,000 years ago when the current model of Homo was differentiating from our cousin Hominids, it was a mechanism to guarantee that we breed "true". It has long outlived it's usefulness.
Every group that I know of can fall into this trap but official multiculturalism just reinforces it and passes it down to the next generation, or two, three of immigrant children. We are far better off, in the long run as a blended mishy-mosh than as a "quilt". Wow! I suspected you were an old codger, but I'd never suspected such deep seated eugenics streak in you! Did you know various genomes from regions of Europe show disticnt degrees of Neanderthal DNA? The further out you go from Europe toward Asia, the lesser the degree of these genes appear. Is that "breeding true" enough for ya? http://discovermagazine.com/2013/march/ ... anderthalshey don't be knocking my 4% $1: Earlier mitochondrial DNA research led by geneticist Svante Pääbo in 1997 had indicated present day Homo sapiens and Neanderthals mtDNA split into separate lineages approximately 500,000 years ago. Green et al. calculated a divergence time of 516,000 years ago and do not indicate a split, while they claim the average divergence time between alleles within humans is thus 459,000 years with a 95% confidence interval between 419,000 and 498,000 years.
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Nuggie77
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Posts: 334
Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:47 pm
Unsound Unsound: Curtman Curtman: No comment from Steve?  I suspect the Steve knows that part of the reasoning behind the law is to try picking a fight with the federal government so the separatists can cry victim and whinge about the anti-Quebec bias in the government. He knows the courts and the voters of Quebec the best option for squashing this thing and is, smartly imo, just trying not to make things worse or play into Marois' game. ![Drink up [B-o]](./images/smilies/drinkup.gif)
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Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:34 pm
Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: We are all descended from as few as three individuals. Interesting, source?
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Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:50 am
Tricks Tricks: Jabberwalker Jabberwalker: We are all descended from as few as three individuals. Interesting, source? It actually makes more sense that we are descended from one or two profoundly mutated individuals rather than having a whole population going "POP" and changing together, in lock step, all at once (environmental pressures or no).. or gradually changing a teeny bit at a time during periods of dramatic climate and other environmental change. Mutations are happening all of the time but precious few of them are viable. We are so substantially different from the other Hominids around in our early years to suggest that we are descended from SERIOUS mutants. http://www.nature.com/news/genetic-adam ... me-1.13478http://www.livescience.com/38613-geneti ... vered.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
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