[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I've seen you do it on all topics. My first experience was when you walked into a post scoffing at some suggestions on how to weld a gas tank only to walk away, tail between your legs.

Was it this post http://www.canadaka.net/forums/post1806493#p1806493? Where I stood corrected? That's walking away tail between the legs, eh, when someone concedes they made a mistake? Not something I defended either, just said one time, was corrected, then retracted. Is that the best you've got?

So now that we've established that I admit when I'm wrong, how about you do the same? "Our laws are based on morality", are they?

[Curtman]

Thanos Thanos:

If pot was legal then this guy would have been able to get stoned legally and pilot a plane legally stoned which means that he wouldn't have been illegally stoned on illegal pot and illegally crashed a legal plane. Or something like that. I'm hungry and my head hurts. Anyone got any Doritos?

Uh huh...

This guy too? He was legally drunk?

Pilot in plane crash that killed former Vancouver man was intoxicated

$1:

The pilot in a fatal airplane crash last year near North Bend was intoxicated, according to an investigative report by the National Transportation Safety Board. The crash killed all three on board, including a former champion swimmer from Hudson's Bay High School.

The investigation shows that the four-seat plane did not malfunction before it crashed into Mount Si on Feb. 15, 2012. The report said the pilot, earlier identified as Rob Marshall Hill, registered a 0.15 percent blood alcohol content.

Air safety investigators concluded their investigation last month and have forwarded the report to the agency's headquarters in Washington D.C., which will review the report and have the final word in determining the cause of the crash.

Former Vancouver resident Seth Dawson, 31, was a passenger in the plane and was killed in the crash.

In high school, Dawson claimed three state titles and went on to swim at Cal State Bakersfield. He later became a swim coach at Kentlake High School in Kent.

The other victims of the crash were previously identified as Hill, a 30-year-old swim coach at Decatur High School in Federal Way, and Liz Redling, 29, of Federal Way.

Hill held a commercial pilot's certificate and a flight instructor certificate, and was issued a first-class airman medical certificate in August 2007.

The investigation, which was made public last month, gives clues into what led up to the crash. The report offers the following account of the evening of Feb. 14, 2012, and the early hours of the next day:

According to one of the passenger's family members, Hill, Dawson and Redling attended a hockey game that started at 7:30 p.m., and following the game, the three went to dinner.

Though there was no flight plan filed, the fixed-gear Cessna 172S airplane took off from Renton Municipal Airport at 1:35 a.m.

A witness saw the plane flying as low as 1,000 feet above the ground, approaching North Bend. Another witness reported seeing the lights of the plane about 300 to 500 feet above the ground and then heard a loud pop before the engine noise stopped.

Several witnesses reported hearing the crash at 1:54 a.m. on the western face of Mount Si.

An examination of the wreckage revealed that there was no evidence of mechanical malfunction or failure with the airframe or engine prior to impact, the report said.

Hill's 0.15 blood alcohol content was well above federal regulations, which prohibit any crew member of a civil aircraft from having a blood alcohol content of .04 percent or more.

Also in Hill's system was 6.8 mg/L of dipehnhydramine, an antihistamine mainly used to treat allergies.

State Patrol Toxicology Lab supervisor Brian Capron said that a 50 mg tablet of the drug produces a detection of .08 mg/L in the blood after three hours.

"That amount is much higher than a normal dose that one would take for allergies," he said.

Hill also had 92.08 mg/dL of acetaminophen in his urine, but Capron said that is not an impairing substance.

So alcohol and antihistamine should be illegal, is what your arguing? Rather than setting clear regulations on their usage?

[Thanos]

Yes, being drunk while at work is illegal even though in all other circumstances alcohol is fully legal for consumption by those of a certain age. If you look more closely into it someday you'll probably notice that the regulation of this particular product in terms of who can consume it and when & where it can be consumed has been going on for quite a while. You may have been assuming that it's a complete zero-sum game where it's legal to consume it everywhere anytime by anyone instead of illegal to consume it everywhere anytime by anyone but, in that case you'd be mistaken.

Subtlety and nuances in the law instead of everything in human experience being reduced to a couch-potato philosopher's fantasy of an eternal struggle of Us Against The Man? Hey, who would have thunk it?

[Curtman]

Thanos Thanos:

If pot was legal then this guy would have been able to get stoned legally and pilot a plane legally stoned which means that he wouldn't have been illegally stoned on illegal pot and illegally crashed a legal plane. Or something like that. I'm hungry and my head hurts. Anyone got any Doritos?

-vs-

Thanos Thanos:

Yes, being drunk while at work is illegal even though in all other circumstances alcohol is fully legal for consumption by those of a certain age. If you look more closely into it someday you'll probably notice that the regulation of this particular product in terms of who can consume it and when & where it can be consumed has been going on for quite a while. You may have been assuming that it's a complete zero-sum game where it's legal to consume it everywhere anytime by anyone instead of illegal to consume it everywhere anytime by anyone but, in that case you'd be mistaken.

Subtlety and nuances in the law instead of everything in human experience being reduced to a couch-potato philosopher's fantasy of an eternal struggle of Us Against The Man? Hey, who would have thunk it?

Sorry, it seemed like you are saying two different things here. Perhaps my attempt to decipher the first post failed.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I've seen you do it on all topics. My first experience was when you walked into a post scoffing at some suggestions on how to weld a gas tank only to walk away, tail between your legs.

Was it this post http://www.canadaka.net/forums/post1806493#p1806493? Where I stood corrected? That's walking away tail between the legs, eh, when someone concedes they made a mistake? Not something I defended either, just said one time, was corrected, then retracted. Is that the best you've got?

So now that we've established that I admit when I'm wrong, how about you do the same? "Our laws are based on morality", are they?

You're always good for a laugh, Lemmy.

You are the master of the saying "you're wrong". Just look how many times you tell people they're wrong and don't even say why. Just a "you're wrong" and run for the hills. How dare anyone challenge your opinion.

You think so highly of yourself and your opinion, you're never wrong so it's quite a rarity for you to acknowledge a mistake because clearly, you're rarely wrong. Being wrong once in two years is quite the feat. Congratulations.

BTW, I stand behind my assertion that our laws are based on morality. you're free to disagree and tell me I'm wrong....it'll be much like every other post where someone disagrees with you.

[raydan]

I say you're wrong too, OTI... present your arguments.

[PluggyRug]

Anyone here sick and tired of being told what's bad or good, or don't do this or that.
You know, those loud purple faced crusading assholes who get off on pissing people.

Just leave me alone and I will learn from my own mistakes.[/rant]

[raydan]

Exactly...

[Jonny_C]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Just leave me alone and I will learn from my own mistakes.[/rant]

Insurance companies thrive on that not being allowed to happen.

[andyt]

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Just leave me alone and I will learn from my own mistakes.[/rant]

Insurance companies thrive on that not being allowed to happen.

And medicare pays thru the nose for dimwits that need the same lesson over and over. That's the problem with that idea.

But if you want to apply that logic to drugs, then you'd better apply it to alcohol. Hands up, people who've done way stupider things on booze than pot. Hands up, people who know way more people fucked up on booze than pot.

[andyt]

Thanos Thanos:

If you look more closely into it someday you'll probably notice that the regulation of this particular product in terms of who can consume it and when & where it can be consumed has been going on for quite a while. You may have been assuming that it's a complete zero-sum game where it's legal to consume it everywhere anytime by anyone instead of illegal to consume it everywhere anytime by anyone but, in that case you'd be mistaken.

Good one. It's you anti pot bozos who play that game far better than the dopers can. That is exactly what the legalization crowd wants - pot regulated similar to booze. But wooooo, pot is so bad, so dangerous. Not like beautiful booze at all. Good one.

[Thanos]

Oooooh, burn!