[Thanos]

Ah, fuck it. Plus they scored it with some Rammstein, which only increases the awesome. Feuer frei!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbODywI1t-I

[BartSimpson]

@Public_Domain:

Here's an example of those awful, intolerant Christians you hate so much:

http://www.revue-etudes.com/archive/art ... code=16641

(The Catholic Jesuits reprint anti-Catholic Charlie Hebdo cartoons to express their solidarity against the forces of darkness)

[Public_Domain]

Thanos Thanos:

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

Surely you are aware that Charlie Hebdo spends far more time lampooning the likes of you than they bother with Islam. They attack religion, so I ask, if you'd like to subscribe to atheistic anarcho-communist stuff, would you like me to send you a list?

Christians don't like the Hebdo stuff but they almost universally are non-violent when they're targeted by that kind of satire. As awful as they are even Westboro Baptist doesn't engage in violence against their cultural enemies. Even Anders Breivik did his atrocity more in the name of preserving European secular heritage and culture far more than for the sake of some renewed and violent Christianity. Tim McVeigh's violence, and the rest of the patriot/militia/sovereign citizen clowns, happens because they're wrapped up in insane big government conspiracies; what they do has a tinge of some really badly interpreted white supremacist Christianity to it but, as opposed to Islam, their violence is almost entirely political in nature. Same with the Jews who, except when being attacked by Muslims, are uniformly non-violent towards practically everyone else on the planet. No one else but the Muslims are out there killing specifically because 'god wants us to'.

My statement didn't make any declarations of my opinion on this. If you need it, then you'll be pleased to know there's nothing to disagree with in what you said. What makes political murder better than religious murder, however? Is crazy not crazy no matter what flag and religious artifact they wrap themselves in and hold to dearly? Granted that the extremist Islamic state terrorists are more cohesive and organized than the other nationalist/racist/religious threats currently, but I fail to see how that is any sort of positive argument for further tolerance/amplification of nationalism, racism, or religion.

$1:

As Bill Maher says all religion is fucked up, it's just that right now Islam is by-and-large a million times more fucked up than the rest of them put together. Like Sam Harris hinted at, it's really kind of dumb to be worrying about the fucking idiot Christian who blew up the abortion clinic back in 1984 when Muslims are flying jetliners into office towers and setting schoolgirls on fire.

I don't think it's dumb to worry about both of those things, to be honest. Will I parrot out a Christian story every time something about Muslims is posted, as andy does? No, because my argument isn't that Christians are "also bad", it's that I have no desire to side with a bunch of racist religious nationalist right-wingers in eliminating Islam when I want religion to eat dust altogether.

[Public_Domain]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

@Public_Domain:

Here's an example of those awful, intolerant Christians you hate so much:

http://www.revue-etudes.com/archive/art ... code=16641

(The Catholic Jesuits reprint anti-Catholic Charlie Hebdo cartoons to express their solidarity against the forces of darkness)

I don't hate Christians. Was raised Protestant til I was 11.

If you're willing to support atheistic anti-capitalist anarchists, I'll stop bothering you about it, and may potentially come to you first when I want to unload some zines.

[Public_Domain]

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Christians don't like the Hebdo stuff but they almost universally are non-violent when they're targeted by that kind of satire. As awful as they are even Westboro Baptist doesn't engage in violence against their cultural enemies. Even Anders Breivik did his atrocity more in the name of preserving European secular heritage and culture far more than for the sake of some renewed and violent Christianity. Tim McVeigh's violence, and the rest of the patriot/militia/sovereign citizen clowns, happens because they're wrapped up in insane big government conspiracies; what they do has a tinge of some really badly interpreted white supremacist Christianity to it but, as opposed to Islam, their violence is almost entirely political in nature. Same with the Jews who, except when being attacked by Muslims, are uniformly non-violent towards practically everyone else on the planet. No one else but the Muslims are out there killing specifically because 'god wants us to'.

As Bill Maher says all religion is fucked up, it's just that right now Islam is by-and-large a million times more fucked up than the rest of them put together. Like Sam Harris hinted at, it's really kind of dumb to be worrying about the fucking idiot Christian who blew up the abortion clinic back in 1984 when Muslims are flying jetliners into office towers and setting schoolgirls on fire.

Meh. Abu Ghraib targeted Muslims specifically. That was pretty nasty. Was making naked Muslim men on leashes cower before attack dogs supposed to be OK because it wasn't motivated by mere Christianity? If I was a Muslim I'd be pissed off about that. Everybody pretty much walked on that one. That was bullshit. The invasion of Iraq was bullshit.

[andyt]

Public_Domain Public_Domain:

I don't think it's dumb to worry about both of those things, to be honest. Will I parrot out a Christian story every time something about Muslims is posted, as andy does? No, because my argument isn't that Christians are "also bad", it's that I have no desire to side with a bunch of racist religious nationalist right-wingers in eliminating Islam when I want religion to eat dust altogether.

I guess people don't get my point. It's not that Christians are also bad, it's that it's bad to tar all Muslims with the same brush. I don't want religion, any religion to eat dust. I have a lot of use for religion if used in the proper way. That is as an individual way to connect with the All. Not to be shoving your religion down anybody else's throat. And that's where the Christians are "also bad."

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Meh. Abu Ghraib targeted Muslims specifically. That was pretty nasty. Was making naked Muslim men on leashes cower before attack dogs supposed to OK because it wasn't motivated by mere Christianity? If I was a Muslim I'd be pissed off about that. Everybody pretty much walked on that one. That was bullshit. The invasion of Iraq was bullshit.

Abu Graib was given as the reason for radicalization by one of the shooters.


People make such a fuss about nasties done in the name of religion, as if when done for other reasons it's somehow OK. The west fucking people over in the middle east, well that's just politics and looking out for national interests. Those people using religion to motivate themselves to fight back, well that's just beyond the pale. Either way, people suffer and die.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Abu Graib was given as the reason for radicalization by one of the shooters.


People make such a fuss about nasties done in the name of religion, as if when done for other reasons it's somehow OK. The west fucking people over in the middle east, well that's just politics and looking out for national interests. Those people using religion to motivate themselves to fight back, well that's just beyond the pale. Either way, people suffer and die.

That's what I mean. Abu Ghraib was just fucking evil in so many ways. Anyways, it's not an excuse for Muslims to go offing civilians in Europe and America, but that wa definitely provocative. Mind you, I guess you could argue that Bush wouldn't have been in Iraq if Osama bin Dickhead hadn't killed 3000 people who had fuck all to do with anything.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

It's not that Christians are also bad, it's that it's bad to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

Who's tarring all Muslims with the same brush?

I'm starting to like this Muslim mayor of Rotterdam.

"Mayor Aboutaleb said: “It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom… But if you don’t like freedom, for heaven’s sake pack your bags and leave.

“There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f*** off."

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01 ... elevision/

[N_Fiddledog]

Or to put it another way...

[martin14]

Somehow, I can't see Nenshi saying that.

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

andyt andyt:

It's not that Christians are also bad, it's that it's bad to tar all Muslims with the same brush.

Who's tarring all Muslims with the same brush?

I'm starting to like this Muslim mayor of Rotterdam.

"Mayor Aboutaleb said: “It is incomprehensible that you can turn against freedom… But if you don’t like freedom, for heaven’s sake pack your bags and leave.

“There may be a place in the world where you can be yourself, be honest with yourself and do not go and kill innocent journalists. And if you do not like it here because humorists you do not like make a newspaper, may I then say you can f*** off."

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01 ... elevision/

Good for you - the first balanced post I've seen. Even the Muslim who saved those Jewish customers, you tried to denigrate.

The mayor is absolutely right. The Australian pm said something similar - more people should come out and say this sort of thing.

[andyt]

More state power, not free speech, the likeliest we-are-Charlie result

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/more-state ... -1.2898354


That's the problem. The more we freak about about the jihaids and over react, the more they win. Getting us to turn agaist non-jihadi Muslims will just fuel recruiting for jihad. Retracting our freedoms in the name of protecting our freedoms just destroys what we are supposed to be all about. The radical left in Europe in the 70's had the same plan: get society to turn hard right in response to terrorism, which will make the state ripe for glorious revolution as people react to the repression.

[BRAH]

It wasn't because of a video on YouTube?