[Lemmy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Plenty of people with those degrees bussing tables, bartending and driving a cab....not too many with a science degree or a B.Ed doing that.

You have stats to support that contention?

[ShepherdsDog]

Do you have stats that would negate the claim? I base my opinion on personal observations.

[Lemmy]

I'm certain that unemployment and underemployment rates are just as high for BScs as BAs. It would make an interesting research project. Maybe I'll cast it on a grad student some day. BEds, having a professional designation, of course do better than either. It's my belief that there are FAR more Type 3 students in BSc programs. I think they figure their degrees entitle them more than BAs do. No one studies literature to get rich. I suspect a much higher percentage of BA students are there for the learning experience than BScs, who view their programs more as a job ticket rather than a course of personal improvement. My experience is that BAs have learned to think as undergrads, while BScs have learned to memorize.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Had a buddy that was taking Math and Sociology. I used to joke with him about being able to get a job as a doorman counting people at any number of fine clubs across the country when he graduated.

[PostFactum]

University degree, is not all you need in life. Yes, you may study good and don't have any result in life. It's important if person is enough smart for life, you may study whole your life and die like donkey. Diploma is good, ability to use your knowledge is better.

[PostFactum]

In Ukraine "Who you know" is factor 1. Factor 2 is how much money can you give for a bribe to get this job. But that's only for normal job, for washing stairs or street sell manager you need only a desire. Noone gives warranty that money that you will receive there will be enough for living. I heared that in Canada kids after school live separate from parents, here not, because without their support you have no chances to survive. A very big factor is in what family you were born.

[jason700]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

In the case of a friend of mine, it was also a case of who you know...

I see...

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

She went from stripper to computer programmer and network administrator, only without ever having set foot in a post seconday institution. Not even sure if she has her high school diploma. She also had the diploma'd computer nerds call her at home on her days off when they needed a hand "trouble shooting".

[martin14]

PostFactum PostFactum:

I heared that in Canada kids after school live separate from parents, here not, because without their support you have no chances to survive. A very big factor is in what family you were born.

It used to be that way, now it seems more kids in Canada stay even after university.

Some are lazy, cuz mommy does all.

Some want to save money.

And some may even have a genuine reason.

[Lemmy]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Had a buddy that was taking Math and Sociology. I used to joke with him about being able to get a job as a doorman counting people at any number of fine clubs across the country when he graduated.

I had a friend who was doing a double major in Fine Art and Geography when we were undergrads. I used to tease the shit out of him. He went on to start a Landscape Architecture business and made a fortune parlaying his fine art talents into something practical.

[Dragon-Dancer]

Sounds like a winner. Always nice to see someone use their creativity in applying their education. I have a friend who has a BArts and went on to pass the bar. Now he's a full time clown, part time lawyer... or so he says.

On your earlier question I know at least five people who have a BSci. Only one of them is employed directly in their field of study. A second managed to parlay his degree into a position teaching junior high science and now also has a BEd. The rest are employed in business but nothing directly related to their majors.

[bootlegga]

Dragon-Dancer Dragon-Dancer:

Sounds like a winner. Always nice to see someone use their creativity in applying their education. I have a friend who has a BArts and went on to pass the bar. Now he's a full time clown, part time lawyer... or so he says.

On your earlier question I know at least five people who have a BSci. Only one of them is employed directly in their field of study. A second managed to parlay his degree into a position teaching junior high science and now also has a BEd. The rest are employed in business but nothing directly related to their majors.

I'd agree with that - everyone I know with a generic BSci (biology, zoology, chemistry, etc) doesn't work in their field of study either - most work in generic 'lab' jobs, running soil sample tests and such for oil companies.

But the same goes for most BAs I know (including myself) - they work in good jobs, but none of them (aside perhaps from the Econ majors) work in their field either.

The one thing I quickly learned after getting my BA (as did my friends with BSci) was that if you want to work in your 'field', you usually need at least a Master's, if not a PhD. The only BSci degrees I know that get you a job in your field are the professional ones like engineering and pharmacy.