[Curtman]

It depends on the context.

What is the state of the nation?

[Gunnair]

Proculation Proculation:

Curtman Curtman:

stokes stokes:

If the LPC is so great why is it that everytime Quebec holds a referendum on seperation, they are the ones forming the government?

More like the Canada built by our founding fathers gets destroyed a little more everytime the Libs form a governement!!!

The Liberals did not declare Quebec a nation. They are a province, or at least they were anyway.

You don't agree that we are a nation ?

No.

[Proculation]

The problem here I think is the definition of the word 'nation'. It has not the same meaning in French than in English.

[Public_Domain]

[raydan]

I think it was photo-shopped... the background gave it away.


But who cares.

[raydan]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Proculation Proculation:

The problem here I think is the definition of the word 'nation'. It has not the same meaning in French than in English.

I'm guessing in French it isn't used as a synonym for 'country', right?

Ensemble des êtres humains vivant dans un même territoire, ayant une communauté d'origine, d'histoire, de culture, de traditions, parfois de langue, et constituant une communauté politique.

[Gunnair]

Proculation Proculation:

The problem here I think is the definition of the word 'nation'. It has not the same meaning in French than in English.

What other nations are in Canada?

[Proculation]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Proculation Proculation:

The problem here I think is the definition of the word 'nation'. It has not the same meaning in French than in English.

I'm guessing in French it isn't used as a synonym for 'country', right?

Yes, it is. But it is mostly used to define a particular group of people 'strongly' sharing a common background and history. A group that can easily be defined having a common origin. Like raydan said in French.

When used as the English meaning, we usually say "état-nation", "state-nation". So Spain is an 'état-nation' but the Inuits are just a 'nation'.

[commanderkai]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Proculation Proculation:

The problem here I think is the definition of the word 'nation'. It has not the same meaning in French than in English.

What other nations are in Canada?

The "First Nations" or Aborginals, and the Metis are good examples of other nations in Canada. From a Political Science standpoint, a "nation" usually reflects a major ethnicity that is unique compared to others.

[commanderkai]

Curtman Curtman:

It depends on the context.

What is the state of the nation?

Let's use Harper's context, since you're trying to be cute.

In the context that Harper used in the quote you dug up, how did he use "nation"?

[Curtman]

Duceppe demands Harper enshrine Quebec nation status in constitution

$1:

That was an important step for Quebec but limited in value, because "there isn't a sovereigntist who can be satisfied with the symbolic recognition of their nation," Duceppe said during a campaign stop in Montreal Thursday.

Quebec needs formal recognition in the Canadian Constitution; "it's fundamental," Duceppe insisted.

That's the same context that the Bloc used in their bill which was also in parliament at the time. The whole idea is stupid. Is the French community in St. Boniface, here in Winnipeg part of the Quebecois Nation?

[Arctic_Menace]

The Liberals used to stand for progressive ideals, human rights, and "being Canadian" for lack of a better word. They've really fallen, but we've fucked things up by letting Stephen Harper and his Reform Alliance buddies (Republicans in disguise) take over the Conservative Party and push the former PC's to the sidelines.

[FieryVulpine]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

The Liberals used to stand for progressive ideals, human rights, and "being Canadian" for lack of a better word.

Yet they'd turn their backs on human rights violations against dissidents in China because it was economically convenient. At least Harper called the Chinese government out on it, for the fat lot of good it did.

Politicians may speak of ideals, human rights, and the like but everyone from the Liberals to the Conservatives to the NDP will sell out when they get into power. Maybe as a show of my contempt for the whole system maybe I'll run for the Rhino or Pirate Party I'll actually tell the damn truth and say I'll sell out my constituents the first chance I get and there would something seriously f'ed with anyone who would vote for me. I'm cynical yes, but at least I would be honest with the public and myself.

[commanderkai]

Curtman Curtman:

Duceppe demands Harper enshrine Quebec nation status in constitution

$1:

That was an important step for Quebec but limited in value, because "there isn't a sovereigntist who can be satisfied with the symbolic recognition of their nation," Duceppe said during a campaign stop in Montreal Thursday.

Quebec needs formal recognition in the Canadian Constitution; "it's fundamental," Duceppe insisted.

That's the same context that the Bloc used in their bill which was also in parliament at the time. The whole idea is stupid. Is the French community in St. Boniface, here in Winnipeg part of the Quebecois Nation?

First, you still did not answer my question. You can quote other people all you like, you still did not tell me (in your opinion, of course), in the context of the Prime Minister Harper's quote, how did he use the word "nation"? Don't even bother responding if you can't answer this, because I'm tired of these strawmen.

And no, it's not the same context that the Bloc is using in that three year old article. The Bloc wants the political entity of Quebec recognized, which is far different than recognizing the unique history and culture of the Quebecois.

To your second little distraction, it's possible, though they can probably have more links to the Metis.

[Curtman]

commanderkai commanderkai:

First, you still did not answer my question. You can quote other people all you like, you still did not tell me (in your opinion, of course), in the context of the Prime Minister Harper's quote, how did he use the word "nation"? Don't even bother responding if you can't answer this, because I'm tired of these strawmen.

And no, it's not the same context that the Bloc is using in that three year old article. The Bloc wants the political entity of Quebec recognized, which is far different than recognizing the unique history and culture of the Quebecois.

To your second little distraction, it's possible, though they can probably have more links to the Metis.

Yes I did answer that. It was the same context that the Bloc used in their bill. When Harper did this stupid "Nation" thing with Quebec, it was 2006. He was newly elected. He did that in response to a bill that the Bloc had introduced where they declared Quebec a nation. For years after that, Gilles used that to push his agenda of Nationhood.