[andyt]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I dunno, I guess if Harper is gonna expend energy making relentless stands, he COULD make a relentless stand against illegal immigrants. A stand that would benefit Canada would be much preferable than picking sides in that giant cluster fuck called the Middle East!

We have almost no illegal immigrants, so that wouldn't accomplish much.

Taking a stand againsat legal immigrants that don't benefit Canada and refugee claimants that are just queue jumpers, now that would get my support. (And when are we going to drop that extra ue on que? Or maybe drop both and just make it q jumpers.)

[desertdude]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well ANY criticism of Israel being seen as anti-Semitism is plainly silly, but....I have noted that the anti-Semites frequently use this as a cover-all defence.

And when was the last time we saw any from N.America or its govts and mainstream media, or is Israel flawless amd never commited any wrongs ?

Like being discussed in the other thread even an attack on a US warship is kept on the down low. How many Americans even know about that ?

And how would you classify the IDF after operations like cast lead and the FB photos published by IDF members, to name a few

[desertdude]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

I think what worries me is the fact that ANY criticism of Israel, even when it's bang on, is considered anti-semtism.
Hell, I've been HIGHLY critical of our own government on a variety of subjects. I guess that makes me an anti-canuck.
I've been highly critical of US policies as well. But despite the fact I visit there regularily and have good friends there, I must still be anti-American

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[EyeBrock]

desertdude desertdude:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well ANY criticism of Israel being seen as anti-Semitism is plainly silly, but....I have noted that the anti-Semites frequently use this as a cover-all defence.

And when was the last time we saw any from N.America or its govts and mainstream media, or is Israel flawless amd never commited any wrongs ?

Like being discussed in the other thread even an attack on a US warship is kept on the down low. How many Americans even know about that ?

And how would you classify the IDF after operations like cast lead and the FB photos published by IDF members, to name a few

Israel gets bad and good press here in Canada and the ship incident is well known to those into history, it happening over 40 years ago.

You said it all DD, you see the IDF as a terrorist organisation. It's a chant I'd expect to hear at a Hamas or Hezbollah rally.

[BartSimpson]

DD calling the IDF terrorists tells me more about DD than it does the IDF.

To be blunt, I'd not argue him saying that of the Mossad or the Shin Bet - but of the IDF?

[desertdude]

And what would you all classify them as ? Operation Cast lead was what ? An exercise in table manners ?

[EyeBrock]

You never got back to me about the links re Palestinians being treated like cattle by Syria, Jordan and Lebanon DD. Eygpt 'aint too fond of them either.

Truth hurts eh?

And on the Gaza strikes. What did you expect Israel to do with Hamas firing rockets everyday at civilian targets?

Those brave Gaza warriors, hiding snipers in schools and hospitals.

[desertdude]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

You never got back to me about the links re Palestinians being treated like cattle by Syria, Jordan and Lebanon DD. Eygpt 'aint too fond of them either.

Truth hurts eh?

I already addressed that if you go back and read this thread.

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

And on the Gaza strikes. What did you expect Israel to do with Hamas firing rockets everyday at civilian targets?

Those brave Gaza warriors, hiding snipers in schools and hospitals.

Maybe you should go and look up some of your so called proven sources as to what actually happened instead of regirgitating FOX propaganda.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

And what would you all classify them as ? Operation Cast lead was what ? An exercise in table manners ?

Operation Cast Lead, in my opinion, was an exercise in restraint. Israel had been subject to rocket fire from Gaza and what do you expect them to do? Sit there and just take it? Of course not. The IDF went in and neutralized the threat.

Do take note that Egypt supported the operation by cutting off their border with Gaza.

In a comparison, the degrading situation in Mexico has been spilling over across the US border and, sooner or later, if the Mexicans don't control their border cities, the US will have to. We frown on Americans being shot at across an international border.

In short, if the folks in Gaza stop screwing around they'll be left alone.

[2Cdo]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DD calling the IDF terrorists tells me more about DD than it does the IDF.

To be blunt, I'd not argue him saying that of the Mossad or the Shin Bet - but of the IDF?

With every new post he reveals his true inner self. All Israelis must be terrorists, because they all have served in the IDF at one time or another.

[Zipperfish]

Hamas should learn to issue press releases regretting the loss of civilian lives after they fire off their rockets.

[desertdude]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Operation Cast Lead, in my opinion, was an exercise in restraint.

And you can truly say that with a straight face ?
5000 thousand wounded, 1500 killed out of which 83% were civilian including 342 children, not even counting the numerous destruction of property, land and over 11,000 homes and you call that restraint ?
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/EF7 ... DA00724AA0

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Israel had been subject to rocket fire from Gaza and what do you expect them to do? Sit there and just take it? Of course not. The IDF went in and neutralized the threat.

IDF broke the ceasefire, and Israel admits it

$1:

Last week's "ticking tunnel," dug ostensibly to facilitate the abduction of Israeli soldiers, was not a clear and present danger: Its existence was always known and its use could have been prevented on the Israeli side, or at least the soldiers stationed beside it removed from harm's way.
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It is impossible to claim that those who decided to blow up the tunnel were simply being thoughtless. The military establishment was aware of the immediate implications of the measure, as well as of the fact that the policy of "controlled entry" into a narrow area of the Strip leads to the same place: an end to the lull. That is policy - not a tactical decision by a commander on the ground.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/op ... h-1.257310

i.e. it was a tactical decision to break the truce, and there was no strategic reason or imminent threat that merited the attack.

CNN looking into the issue and admitting that the facts show Israel broke the truce:
http://pulsemedia.org/2009/01/07/rare-t ... ire-first/

Mark Regev spokesman for the Prime Minister of Israel conceding the point about Hamas not firing rockets

http://pulsemedia.org/2009/01/16/regev- ... ceasefire/

Here is a definitive timeline of events showing that the truce was broken on Nov 4 by Israel's attack:

http://pulsemedia.org/2009/01/15/chrono ... ceasefire/

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

In short, if the folks in Gaza stop screwing around they'll be left alone.

They did, but Israel couldn't help themselves.

[desertdude]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DD calling the IDF terrorists tells me more about DD than it does the IDF.

To be blunt, I'd not argue him saying that of the Mossad or the Shin Bet - but of the IDF?

With every new post he reveals his true inner self. All Israelis must be terrorists, because they all have served in the IDF at one time or another.

Well you just don't like hearing as it is, now do you ?

Well Israeli citizens really have no choice do they and I'm sure many wouldn't have if they had a choice.

Well in hind sight that would be incorrect on my part I think its the Israeli govt that are the real terrorists and some members of the IDF who come up with and take part in brilliant operations like cast lead.

[2Cdo]

desertdude desertdude:

Well you just don't like hearing as it is, now do you ?

I find your anti-Israel posts 100% predictable. You can't help yourself due to YOUR upbringing.

$1:

Well Israeli citizens really have no choice do they and I'm sure many wouldn't have if they had a choice.

You'd be wrong, especially if the Islamic countries ever tried to repeat the opening days of the Yom Kippur war.

$1:

Well in hind sight that would be incorrect on my part I think its the Israeli govt that are the real terrorists and some members of the IDF who come up with and take part in brilliant operations like cast lead.

Nice backtrack, but I now know how you really think.

[Proculation]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DD calling the IDF terrorists tells me more about DD than it does the IDF.

To be blunt, I'd not argue him saying that of the Mossad or the Shin Bet - but of the IDF?

With every new post he reveals his true inner self. All Israelis must be terrorists, because they all have served in the IDF at one time or another.

He uses IDF or "Israel" because he knows that clearly saying Jews shows too clearly his antisemitism.

The Jew-haters use other words to try to hide their hatred.