[Yogi]

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Excellent posts CrazyNewfie, I agree. Took a very controversial view
here and I'm extremely glad you stuck with it and drove it home.

That said, if they truly want to prevent this from occurring again,
then chaining the boxes down is a "good move". Course they'll need
actual boxes and not plastic containers.

Thanks Mr._Canada, only one who kinda gets it. I agree with about the boxes, they should have a measure in place so that they cannot be stolen.
I don't know if I am very good at saying what I mean, with some of the comments I am getting here you would think I was the criminal. Some of the posts people are leaving me don't seem to get what I am trying to say. I am not saying the thief/thieves are more deserving, or that what they did was in any way acceptable. It's a really sh1tty thing to do, stealing from a charity. Maybe they are scumbags, but what brought them to that point? A choice?

Like I already stated, I served my country for 8 years and I still am with Foreign affairs. And I know some of you came from poor families like me, but when I said you have ne idea what poor is, I meant it (I didn't know before I worked here). Unless of course you happened to grow up in a different country where they do know what poor is all about. If you grew up in canada then trust me you don't know what poor is. At least here there's somewhere to turn...food bank, shelters, places to get donated clothes, there are help programs for people who are willing to go that route. There are places in the world where people literally have nothing...my co-worker told me of a family who took one of their neighbours chickens because they were starving, and used it to feed the family for a week, A WEEK on one chicken (for a whole family)! And because they were afraid of retribution if someone found out they were burying the bones. That's poor.

If you feel that you are being vilified, it is probably because you are. You are coming off as trying to defend the indefensible!

[Choban]

$1:

If you feel that you are being vilified, it is probably because you are. You are coming off as trying to defend the indefensible!

I think he's one of the few in this thread looking at the big picture though drugs/crime and social ills have been around as long as civilization, if there is a solution we as a whole have yet to find it, meanwhile there are plenty of programs ect to help the less fortunate or those down on their luck. People have to want to be helped though, and while to the rest of us stealing poppy boxes may seem like rock bottom it obviously isn't to the dirtbags that did it.

[CrazyNewfie]

Choban Choban:

$1:

If you feel that you are being vilified, it is probably because you are. You are coming off as trying to defend the indefensible!

I think he's one of the few in this thread looking at the big picture though drugs/crime and social ills have been around as long as civilization, if there is a solution we as a whole have yet to find it, meanwhile there are plenty of programs ect to help the less fortunate or those down on their luck. People have to want to be helped though, and while to the rest of us stealing poppy boxes may seem like rock bottom it obviously isn't to the dirtbags that did it.

Thx for defending my position, that's what I was saying, trying to see the big picture and not just seeing a couple of dirtbags stealing donation money.

Someone just commented saying (something like) I am being attacked because I am defending these people's actions...aaaagghhh...I am not defending their actions, but I am defending them as human beings who probably had a different upbringing than you did, inconsiderate a-hole. Maybe they weren't taught to have morals. You might as well say that a person born in Pakistan who has nothing, a rag for clothes, a few pieces of rice a day if he's lucky, that's it's his own fault, really?

[Yogi]

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

Choban Choban:

$1:

If you feel that you are being vilified, it is probably because you are. You are coming off as trying to defend the indefensible!

I think he's one of the few in this thread looking at the big picture though drugs/crime and social ills have been around as long as civilization, if there is a solution we as a whole have yet to find it, meanwhile there are plenty of programs ect to help the less fortunate or those down on their luck. People have to want to be helped though, and while to the rest of us stealing poppy boxes may seem like rock bottom it obviously isn't to the dirtbags that did it.

Thx for defending my position, that's what I was saying, trying to see the big picture and not just seeing a couple of dirtbags stealing donation money.

Someone just commented saying (something like) I am being attacked because I am defending these people's actions...aaaagghhh...I am not defending their actions, but I am defending them as human beings who probably had a different upbringing than you did, inconsiderate a-hole. Maybe they weren't taught to have morals. You might as well say that a person born in Pakistan who has nothing, a rag for clothes, a few pieces of rice a day if he's lucky, that's it's his own fault, really?

Temper, temper. So I don't happen to agree with you, you gonna stamp yopur feet and call names. Grow up!

Three questions for you now.
1- What is my favorite color?

2- What is my favorite pet & it's name?

3- What is my favorite drink?









****See. You know absolutely fuck all about me, yet you feel qualified to make such a statement about my life.Who's the a-hole now? FUCKOFF AND DO SOME RESEARCH!

[Gunnair]

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

Gunnair Gunnair:

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

To sum it up, yes that is part of what I was saying...these people probably grew up in households with bad parents, or without parents, or with parents not necessarily bad, but not exactly good (a workaholic parent who isn't physically abusive but just doesn't spend time with their children can be just as detrimental to a childs morals).

You suggest that because of poor parenting, these people then have a tumbled moral compass. Fine. Accepting that, do they get some kind of a by when they stray off course?

Okay, no I don't think they should get a by, they should be punished just like anyone else who commits a crime. And yes Gunnair I agree with you that they should be punished, and yes maybe they are among the lowest of the low (stealing for food or clothing to survive is one thing, stealing from a charity that could potentially help you personally that is pretty low, and thoughtless).
I guess I am trying to think of the solution as opposed to just seeing these guys as scum. It's not a short term answer, the things I think would fix problems like this would be hard to implement with society the way it is today. Just think of someone who's parents may be bad, may be abusive, or for whatever reason they feel like there is no hope for them, well what if there was hope, I think that may be what it takes to turn our society around. It this same person knew it didn't matter what there parents were like, if college/university/secondary school was available to ALL, and not just those with means, things might begin to change, it might take a few generations but things would get better (I think I may be about a thousand years too early for this thinking). Part of the problem is that a lot of people don't see things long term, they see things now.
Thinking there will always be crime, and the solution is to keep locking them away isn't going to fix anything. If we instead could concentrate on why, and started fixing those issues in our society we would all benefit. I know, I know, back to blaming society, but really people for the most part become who they are because of their environment, their parents, those around them, and yes society.

One can spend an awful lot of time hand wringing, soul searching, and musing just to find out a cigar is just a cigar.

They are scum that stole charity boxes. Nothing more, in my opinion.

[Gunnair]

CrazyNewfie CrazyNewfie:

Thx for defending my position, that's what I was saying, trying to see the big picture and not just seeing a couple of dirtbags stealing donation money.

Someone just commented saying (something like) I am being attacked because I am defending these people's actions...aaaagghhh...I am not defending their actions, but I am defending them as human beings who probably had a different upbringing than you did, inconsiderate a-hole. Maybe they weren't taught to have morals. You might as well say that a person born in Pakistan who has nothing, a rag for clothes, a few pieces of rice a day if he's lucky, that's it's his own fault, really?

Fact is, one can be brought up in an environment full of moral guidance and still have offspring that stray way off course. I believe one can be brought up in a negative environment and turn out okay. I think you are putting the preponderance of that success on environment and placing less emphasis on the concept of choice. One does not have to be brought up bereft of a moral compass to know that stealing is bad - society explains that quite well on a day to day basis. It's tantamount to a thirty year old sticking a fork in an electric socket and blaming the parents because they didn't teach him not to. He's thirty years old and should realize through social osmosis that forks and electrical sockets just don't mix.

The guys who stole those charity boxes didn't know that stealing was wrong, they just didn't care because they chose not to. And yes, that may be due to their upbringing, but more importantly, it's now a choice they've made in spite of their social knowledge.

[GreenTiger]

QBC QBC:

No...they shouldn't have to chain them to anything. No one has any respect for anything anymore it seems.....

Exactly.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

The guys who stole those charity boxes didn't know that stealing was wrong, they just didn't care because they chose not to. And yes, that may be due to their upbringing, but more importantly, it's now a choice they've made in spite of their social knowledge.

You meant they did know that stealing was wrong. Right?

I think that's very true. If I was to guess though, I'd say it was probably kids who were too naive (or maybe ignorant is a better word) to realize the importance of the symbol of the poppy.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

The guys who stole those charity boxes didn't know that stealing was wrong, they just didn't care because they chose not to. And yes, that may be due to their upbringing, but more importantly, it's now a choice they've made in spite of their social knowledge.

You meant they did know that stealing was wrong. Right?

I think that's very true. If I was to guess though, I'd say it was probably kids who were too naive (or maybe ignorant is a better word) to realize the importance of the symbol of the poppy.

Their naivety about the symbol is irrelevant. They knew stealing was wrong.