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Posts: 23565
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:39 am
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: Should we have expected less? One would hope not. He`s doing what is required of a president.
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Posts: 23565
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:41 am
ManifestDestiny ManifestDestiny: To me this has less to do with freedom of religion, it has more to do with respecting the 3000 Americans and foriengers that dies on the site.
Plus I have had enough of Barack H. Obama lecturing me. That`s just you. It is about Freedom of Religion. I`m sure, Barrack reads these forums and it`s also likely he`s had enough of MD lecturing him. 
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andyt
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Posts: 33492
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:47 am
Well, Hamas has come out in favor of the mosque, saying it must be built. That support will be very helpful to the rational sector of the people who want to build that mosque, I'm sure. Any hint that the jihadists are involved in this or will take it over and opinion will certainly shift against the mosque very quickly.
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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:50 am
andyt andyt: Well, Hamas has come out in favor of the mosque, saying it must be built. That support will be very helpful to the rational sector of the people who want to build that mosque, I'm sure. Any hint that the jihadists are involved in this or will take it over and opinion will certainly shift against the mosque very quickly. Yes, unless of course some very predominant and vocal Muslims come out against them and denounce their support. Tantamount to having Stormfront come out in support of those opposed to it.
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jenkins
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Posts: 68
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:29 am
Even if people are overreacting to this (and they are), you'd think they could have come up with some less taboo places to build the mosque. I think they should be allowed to build, but I just wonder what was going through their heads when they chose that spot.
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Posts: 7835
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:19 am
PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9: I'd be curious to know just how many 2nd amendment protectionists have NO problem about the attempt to repeal the 14th amendement. So far, I know of at least one on this site. I guess the US Constitution is only inviolate for SOME rights eh?  They aren't (at least, most) pushing to appeal the 14th Amendment, they want to amend the 14th Amendment. Repealing it would be overkill. And I disagree with it because it's an extreme action that punishes innocent children for the illegal actions of their parents. The sins, or rather, the illegal actions of the parents, should not result in the innocent child being punished.
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andyt
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Posts: 33492
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:24 am
I'm all for amending it so only children of legal immigrants and citizens are covered. It's not punishing the children at all, no more than all the other non-US children in the world are punished. It's just denying citizenship to people who shouldn't have been born there in the first place. And Canada should amend it's laws in that regard too.
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Posts: 7835
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:29 am
andyt andyt: I'm all for amending it so only children of legal immigrants and citizens are covered. It's not punishing the children at all, no more than all the other non-US children in the world are punished. It's just denying citizenship to people who shouldn't have been born there in the first place. And Canada should amend it's laws in that regard too. If that's the amendment over having the children inherit the citizenship of their parents, I would support that amendment. I haven't followed the issue too closely (considering I'm a legal immigrant to the US, while still being a citizen of Canada) but I heard repealing the birthright statement over inheriting the citizenship of the parents.
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Posts: 65472
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:33 am
desertdude desertdude: Cue the Obama is a muslim in hiding loons The person at the top of that list is...Obama himself. $1: Obama, speaking to ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," was talking about what he described as "smears" that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Christian. "Let's not play games," Obama stated. "What I was suggesting – you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come." Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, "Christian faith."
"My Christian faith," Obama quickly said. "Well, what I'm saying is that he (McCain) hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith – something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time." Slip of the lip? Perhaps. In any case, Obama said what he said and he fed fuel to the fire with this comment and with many other comments that sound unusual coming from a supposedly practicing (but not devout) Christian.
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andyt
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Posts: 33492
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:34 am
commanderkai commanderkai: andyt andyt: I'm all for amending it so only children of legal immigrants and citizens are covered. It's not punishing the children at all, no more than all the other non-US children in the world are punished. It's just denying citizenship to people who shouldn't have been born there in the first place. And Canada should amend it's laws in that regard too. If that's the amendment over having the children inherit the citizenship of their parents, I would support that amendment. I haven't followed the issue too closely (considering I'm a legal immigrant to the US, while still being a citizen of Canada) but I heard repealing the birthright statement over inheriting the citizenship of the parents. I thought the 14th amendment was about being born on US soil - ie nothing to do with the citizenship of parents or inheriting their citizenship. And I thought people pushing for amendment of the amendment just wanted it to apply to legal residents of the US. I could be wrong on both counts, since I haven't followed it closely either.
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Posts: 7835
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:46 am
andyt andyt: I thought the 14th amendment was about being born on US soil - ie nothing to do with the citizenship of parents or inheriting their citizenship. And I thought people pushing for amendment of the amendment just wanted it to apply to legal residents of the US. I could be wrong on both counts, since I haven't followed it closely either. No no, the inheriting the citizenship is what I've seen proposed to amend the 14th Amendment. So, instead of how the system is now (which allows all people born in the United States, or naturalized) to be citizens, they want to change it so that your parents must be citizens of the United States to entitle the child to be an American citizen. I think this would apply to legal residents of the US as well. Let's say I, as a Canadian, along with my Canadian wife/girlfriend, have a child in the United States. Because we're both Canadian, said child becomes a Canadian even if he or she was born in a US hospital. As such, illegal immigrants cannot have anchor babies to keep them in the United States, because they are still citizens of Mexico. More interestingly, the few right wing blogs I visit haven't said much about this amendment, which probably means they see it as pretty much impossible...that, or they just aren't following the issue either.
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Posts: 4235
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:08 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: desertdude desertdude: Cue the Obama is a muslim in hiding loons The person at the top of that list is...Obama himself. $1: Obama, speaking to ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," was talking about what he described as "smears" that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Christian. "Let's not play games," Obama stated. "What I was suggesting – you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come." Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, "Christian faith."
"My Christian faith," Obama quickly said. "Well, what I'm saying is that he (McCain) hasn't suggested that I'm a Muslim. And I think that his campaign's upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not who I say I am when it comes to my faith – something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time." Slip of the lip? Perhaps. In any case, Obama said what he said and he fed fuel to the fire with this comment and with many other comments that sound unusual coming from a supposedly practicing (but not devout) Christian. Annnnnnnnd right on cue....perfect 
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Posts: 7580
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:35 am
Soooooooooooo....hes a Christian/Muslim with a wife that should wear a burka... 
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Posts: 65472
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:57 am
desertdude desertdude: Bart Bart: Slip of the lip? Perhaps. In any case, Obama said what he said and he fed fuel to the fire with this comment and with many other comments that sound unusual coming from a supposedly practicing (but not devout) Christian. Annnnnnnnd right on cue....perfect  My point is that Obama needs to choose his words more carefully. It's hard to effectively denounce the Obama-is-a-Muslim crowd when Obama can be accurately quoted saying such things.
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Posts: 4235
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:01 pm
For sure and he should grow a bread and adopt the white robes 
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