[RUEZ]

martin14 martin14:

While, yes, DD is a one-trick pony, he is at least pointing these things out.


And remember boys and girls, these are still the ones stupid enough to get caught.

The thing is we all know there are bad cops out there. We expect them to be punished accordingly, in fact most demand it. However what's the point in posting every single story about a cop gone bad other than to try and make a point that all cops are bad? If we have around 40,000 or 50,000 cops in Canada and every now and then we have some getting caught committing crimes I'd say we're still doing pretty good. I'd love to live in a city of 50,000 people where there is only one or two crimes a day.

[andyt]

I'm going to guess that DD's point is that the number of bad cops is quite a bit higher than Brock's 4/100,000. And this story is making the point that the cop is not being punished accordingly, he's not being prosecuted. Then there are the cops who screw up on the job. It's not always a matter of prosecution, the cop may not have done anything criminal, but it's a matter of the force admitting the mistake and learning from it, instead of closing ranks and denying.

DD would probably post less of this stuff if it didn't start the howling of the cop defenders with each story. It makes it seem like the pro-cop people can just not see, hear or speak any evil about the cops. As I've said, I think that's a dangerous attitude.

But it's nice when you read good cop stories too. In BC recently a cop lead a convoy of people to safety thru a forest fire. He's a hero. Another one made the news a few years back who dove in the Fraser river in the winter to save a homeless guy. He's a hero. When I live in Boulder CO, they still told the story of the cop who drove down a canyon, ahead of a wall of water from a dam burst and warned people what was coming, instead of getting the hell out of there. He died. He's a real hero. Cops do a job that can be very tough, very difficult. Most do it well. But they are also given extraordinary powers, and so should be be watched closely for abuses of that power. That's part of what makes being a cop tough, but if you can't handle it, choose another career.

[Benn]

RUEZ RUEZ:

martin14 martin14:

While, yes, DD is a one-trick pony, he is at least pointing these things out.


And remember boys and girls, these are still the ones stupid enough to get caught.

The thing is we all know there are bad cops out there. We expect them to be punished accordingly, in fact most demand it. However what's the point in posting every single story about a cop gone bad other than to try and make a point that all cops are bad? If we have around 40,000 or 50,000 cops in Canada and every now and then we have some getting caught committing crimes I'd say we're still doing pretty good. I'd love to live in a city of 50,000 people where there is only one or two crimes a day.

Its a very hard concept you are pushing there for some people.

[digerdick]

NO one ever said what all cops are BAD......even thought people on this forum TRY to point fingers and say that I and others are cop haters............ I believe that because of the position the police are in ALL MISCONDUCT and the penalties should be reported to the public so they can be satisfied that their is NO double standard or special treatment.......... I DONT care how many cops their is in Canada or that their is going to be BAD apples.........If you are payed to will hold the law ,and can fine or put people in jail because of your testimony you better not break the same laws and expect it to be kept QUITE ... IT should be front page NEWS.............

[RUEZ]

diggerdick diggerdick:

IT should be front page NEWS.............

And it is, isn't it?

[digerdick]

NO ........most of this type of stuff NEVER gets main stream attention....2 or 3 years after it happens their is a small amount media .....Only things like Ian BUSH and the Vancouver airport get true coverage.....

[andyt]

RUEZ RUEZ:

diggerdick diggerdick:

IT should be front page NEWS.............

And it is, isn't it?

Which is why we're talking about it. And some people saying he should be charged, not just allowed to resign, not even fired.

[Benn]

diggerdick diggerdick:

NO one ever said what all cops are BAD......even thought people on this forum TRY to point fingers and say that I and others are cop haters............ I believe that because of the position the police are in ALL MISCONDUCT and the penalties should be reported to the public so they can be satisfied that their is NO double standard or special treatment.......... I DONT care how many cops their is in Canada or that their is going to be BAD apples.........If you are payed to will hold the law ,and can fine or put people in jail because of your testimony you better not break the same laws and expect it to be kept QUITE ... IT should be front page NEWS.............

I believe Ottawa Police have a policy of announcing all cases like this to the media. I'm not sure that is the norm however.

And hey, I agree, there should be no double standard for police who are charged with a crime. I just think a lot of people put too much weight behind the whole Blue Wall thing. The whole dirty days of policing passed a long time ago. Not to say there are never covers ups in the off occurrence but then again every profession and organization has members covering stuff up in them from time to time or even a lot of the time. Its just the nature of life and human behaviour, its not right, but it will always be there.

Medical boards made up of all doctors try to keep doctors mistakes quiet and hand out limp penalties in some cases, engineers have taken shortcuts to win contracts, lawyers, journalists etc.

[andyt]

Benn Benn:

diggerdick diggerdick:

And hey, I agree, there should be no double standard for police who are charged with a crime. I just think a lot of people put too much weight behind the whole Blue Wall thing. The whole dirty days of policing passed a long time ago. Not to say there are never covers ups in the off occurrence but then again every profession and organization has members covering stuff up in them from time to time or even a lot of the time. Its just the nature of life and human behaviour, its not right, but it will always be there.

Medical boards made up of all doctors try to keep doctors mistakes quiet and hand out limp penalties in some cases, engineers have taken shortcuts to win contracts, lawyers, journalists etc.

You're right about other professions protecting their own, and it should be outed more too.

There's an article in the Georgia Straight about the dysfunction in the RCMP. Lots of turf wars. One person quoted suggested they put Jim Chu in as head RCMP, and i agree. Since we got rid of the last cowboy, Chu has made great progress in being open about police misconduct. There seem to be a lot less incidents with the VPD these days. That's exactly what I'm on about - police stepping up and admitting their mistakes, and having appropriate consequences.

[martin14]

Benn Benn:

Medical boards made up of all doctors try to keep doctors mistakes quiet and hand out limp penalties in some cases, engineers have taken shortcuts to win contracts, lawyers, journalists etc.

Just cause it is, doesnt make it right.

[Dayseed]

andyt andyt:

That's what the rah rah police people on this forum don't seem to get. It's a good thing that at least some people want to watch the police closely, they have a lot of power, and with that comes the potential for abuse.

As least in this case, the police themselves dealt with it, it didn't take a video to surface to say bullshit to their spin as so often happens.

Andy, you shouldn't be commenting at all about watching people closely. Because every time I sit down and analyze what you've actually written, I beat you with it and you run away, tail swishing beneath that big yellow stripe on your back.

That said, I agree with the majority of your's and your fellow cop-hater sentiments. This guy SHOULD have been charged with obstruction of justice rather than being suspended and fired. Had there been a photo of the Ottawa Police Department tearing the badge off this guy before throwing him unceremoniously into the Rideau, I'm sure it would quell a lot of bad feeling.

While I don't agree with Diggerdick that it's yet another harbinger that all cops are corrupt, nor a clarion call to enact Hyperion's idiotic plans for keeping corruption in check, on this one, I'm a citizen that wants more punishment for this clown than he got. He fucked over Canada when he gave out that info.

[Benn]

martin14 martin14:

Benn Benn:

Medical boards made up of all doctors try to keep doctors mistakes quiet and hand out limp penalties in some cases, engineers have taken shortcuts to win contracts, lawyers, journalists etc.

Just cause it is, doesnt make it right.

Which is why I said, "..its not right.."

[HyperionTheEvil]

Dayseed Dayseed:

andyt andyt:

That's what the rah rah police people on this forum don't seem to get. It's a good thing that at least some people want to watch the police closely, they have a lot of power, and with that comes the potential for abuse.

As least in this case, the police themselves dealt with it, it didn't take a video to surface to say bullshit to their spin as so often happens.

Andy, you shouldn't be commenting at all about watching people closely. Because every time I sit down and analyze what you've actually written, I beat you with it and you run away, tail swishing beneath that big yellow stripe on your back.

That said, I agree with the majority of your's and your fellow cop-hater sentiments. This guy SHOULD have been charged with obstruction of justice rather than being suspended and fired. Had there been a photo of the Ottawa Police Department tearing the badge off this guy before throwing him unceremoniously into the Rideau, I'm sure it would quell a lot of bad feeling.

While I don't agree with Diggerdick that it's yet another harbinger that all cops are corrupt, nor a clarion call to enact Hyperion's idiotic plans for keeping corruption in check, on this one, I'm a citizen that wants more punishment for this clown than he got. He fucked over Canada when he gave out that info.

I look at this as another example of why cops need to be watched by an outside agency as i pointed out, it's become clear that the 'one bad apple' excuse' has worn thin.

[Bacardi4206]

Hey, another cop conspiracy story of the police covering there tracks of a bad cop. Like they always do, according to some here. Oh wait, hes getting fired or worse? Damn you conspiracy, you seemed flawless!

[Dayseed]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

I look at this as another example of why cops need to be watched by an outside agency as i pointed out, it's become clear that the 'one bad apple' excuse' has worn thin.

You didn't point out anything. You said that the watchdog needed to be comprised of non-police that were sworn in as police but not so policey that they can't be trusted not to police the police without becoming police but they can learn all about the police, while not being police themselves, just non-police in the police so the police are adequately policed by the non-police.

Then, after that feat, you criminally extorted children, trampled constitutional rights, toothlessly threatened the banks and violated confidences recognized by the Supreme Court.

Is that what you meant?