[PublicAnimalNo9]

I don't blame 'em for being suspicious. But look at the more recent events that took place and who was in power at the time and I don't mean party-wise. Two Prime Ministers from Quebec, sucking up TO Quebec, and the Bloc being the major antagonist, it's no wonder NFLD got fucked over. I'm not blaming the Bloc for all of NFLD's woes, but the Bloc sure ain't made it any easier for 'em.

[Bouboumaster]

Wow. I don't think I can live anymore in the same country as some of dudes who posted in this thread. Those of them who call Canada a great country are absolute hypocrits.

This is one thing to call Ducceppe an ass: You would be in your right. Hell, I hate him myself. I don't like the idea of an independant Quebec too. It would be like a majority of canadians calling Harper a noob, which I think he is too.

But it's totally different to call 100% of a population "whiner" and other shit. I don't agree with these comments, probably shouted by ignorants losers, but still, what the hell.
Right now, a majority of quebeckers are against what you call "separatism" (the correct term would be more independantism, I think), and you, for whatever reason, just don't give a fuck and choose to insult the entire Province.

What kind of intolerance is this? By using the same logic, could, let say, Quebec and British Colombia, call Alberta and Saskatchewan the "biggest assholes in the country ever", because some of their folks are more conservatives than ours?

And if it's a feeling that most canadians have toward us, than we should indeed separate, because we don't have nothing to do with that kind of haters.

[EyeBrock]

I agree with you Bouboumaster.

People are too quick to slap labels on other people. The deals that I'm talking about re NFLD have no bearing on what I think of the Quebeckers I have met and know, which is all positive.

I don't blame a province full of people for NFLD getting jipped. Linking hatred and just saying people are 'whiners' or they should just fuck off etc is petty.

My statement about dismissing NFLD's concerns can only add to misunderstanding and alienation could be applied equally to Quebec.

[Mustang1]

Well let's put some historical perspective on the whole Nfld issue - firstly, Nfld voted to join Confederation (whether it was by slim majority or not, it was a perfectly democratic exercise), secondly, Canada had no say in Nfld joining Confederation (there certainly wasn't a plebescite in the ROC regarding this), thirdly Britian made overtures to the Canadian government in the 30s regarding Nfld and the federal government - due in large part to the economic woes of the Depression - nixed the idea (so it's not as though this has been a perfect courting), fourthly, massive amounts of equalization payments have been made available to Nfld since its entrance (and by no means am i questioning this, just stating it) and lastly, Labrador border, you're weclome.

Also, anyone even remotely cognizant of Canadian history knows that each and every province, culture, region has had an ebbing and flowing of nationalist/separation issues in their history. This has always been present in Canadian politics and to suggest that this sentiment in Nfld is somehow new, novel or significant misses the larger picture. And while they're at it, maybe some of these Nfld separatist-leaners should look up the 2002 Royal Commission regarding separating Labrador and creating a new political entity a la Nunavut

[MacDonaill]

J'écris ce message en français pour tous les Québécois du forum, dans le but d'expliquer ce qu'on entend en traitant les Québécois de chialeux. Même si c'est souvent exagéré, ce n'est pas tout à fait injuste.

Il existe au Québec une culture de revendication; c'est clair et net. Elle s'avère à toute les échelles de la société, que ce soit au niveau des groupes d'intérêt à l'intérieur de la Province même, ou à l'échelle fédérale où c'est la Province qui revendique à son tour.

Il y a aussi une culture de victime. On dirait que la réaction typique du Québécois est de se montrer victime. La majorité ne manque jamais l'occasion de plaindre sa race. Ô nous les Québécois, on a été tellement maltraités, on a essayé de nous assimiler, on est une minorité, toute l'histoire du Canada est celle du Canadien français en lutte contre les méchants Rosbifs etc. Du coup, on a l'impression générale au Québec qu'on nous doit qqch. Si on le veut, c'est que quelqu'un nous le doit.

Il y a un historien québécois dont j'oublie le nom, mais qui a fait polémique quand il a dénoncé le « victimisme » dans la culture québécoise qui se traduit et se voit manifesté dans l'analyse historique traditionnelle. Au Québec, on nous apprend une histoire qui nous rend victimes.

C'est également une culture tout à fait collectiviste. Le Québécois est typiquement incapable se s'isoler par rapport à sa communauté. Les plus grands chantres du Québec dit « libre » parlent toujours du « nous, nous, nous », comme s'ils étaient bien placés ou en mesure de parler au nom de tous les Québécois. Ils ne risquent jamais de dire « Je » quand ils parlent le plus fort. On peut le voir même dans d'autres sujets de ce forum. Combien de fois on a vu un souverainiste parler au nom de tout le Québec en disant toujours « nous » ? Pourtant, la majorité des membres québécois de ce site, voire la majorité des Québécois tout court, sont fédéralistes.

L'identitarisme québécois impose un énorme sens de culpabilité sur les individus face au groupe. Au Québec, on n'a pas le droit d'être trop individualiste. Pour peu qu'on mette en question une seule vache sacrée de la société québécoise (et il y en a plein la gueule), on se fait tout de suite dénoncer et traiter de « vendu », de « colon » ou de « anti-Québécois ».

Je pourrais en parler pendant des heures, et je sais que ce n'est pas tout le monde qui sera d'accord, mais c'est un peu comme ça que je vois les choses.

[Tman1]

Has this dummy even been outside west of Ontario? Don't know where his tour comes out west but I hope a banana cream pie in the face suits him or maybe some hot poutine from A&W.

[OnTheIce]

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

What kind of intolerance is this? By using the same logic, could, let say, Quebec and British Colombia, call Alberta and Saskatchewan the "biggest assholes in the country ever", because some of their folks are more conservatives than ours?

And if it's a feeling that most canadians have toward us, than we should indeed separate, because we don't have nothing to do with that kind of haters.

A Quebecker talking intolerance? That's laughable.

Quebec isn't tolerant of Canada at all, yet Canadians have been more than tolerant with the consistent whining coming from a large amount of Quebeckers and your government.

Separating from Canada would be like cutting off your nose in spite of your face. Get beyond the charade that you're so special because of your "culture". Nobody outside your borders gives a shit.

[Tman1]

Bouboumaster Bouboumaster:

What kind of intolerance is this? By using the same logic, could, let say, Quebec and British Colombia, call Alberta and Saskatchewan the "biggest assholes in the country ever", because some of their folks are more conservatives than ours?

Not sure why you add British Columbia on your side of 'allies' or consider Saskatchewan (one of the strongest growing province in the nation yet looked down upon elsewhere in Canada) and Alberta as the 'biggest assholes in the country ever'. Hey, you forgot Manitoba or did you not look at your map outside Quebec? Most of Western Canada is Conservative because a Liberal government pandering to Quebec just didn't cut it. Wait, whats that? Now we got a Conservative govt pandering to Quebec too and you're complaining about conservatives?

$1:

And if it's a feeling that most canadians have toward us, than we should indeed separate, because we don't have nothing to do with that kind of haters.

I do hope most Quebecers have a thicker skin than you do. I don't want Quebec to separate but either create a new political group that wants to work in a federal Canada with the intention of the interest of ALL Canadians not just Quebecers or stop voting for the PQ/BQ because every Quebecer who votes for them are either hypocrites or simply do need to leave this confederation because you can't please everybody. Sorry, you want to leave Canada because I said this?

[herbie]

Let's make one thing perfectly clear. I don't have ill feeling towards Quebec, N&L, Alberta or any other province.
Just the separatists wherever they are.
Those are the whiners than can F.O.A.D.

Newfoundland will have to wait it out, we felt the same about the Columbia deal here in BC. We were hosed badly.
But that deal ran out and within a decade California had to default and screw us out of billions they owed on the renegotiated prices. It's now a great deal, and Churchill Falls will be for N&L too. Start planning an underwater cable now so Quebec can't hold you hostage over the transmission lines!

[PimpBrewski123]

As Bodah had mentionned on another thread, Duceppe is more than likely using this tour to get some reaction, mostly Quebec bashing. Then turn to the Quebec media in order to incite the nationalism debate. His only purpose is to provoke, nothing else.

[Bodah]

Yup, that's what I think he's hoping for. As you can see in this thread it doesn't take much to get people all upset. He's hoping for Ottawa University Coulter welcome out west bad, real bad. Let's not give it to him, ignore the troll.

I'm not on facebook, but I think a group should be set up to spread the message. Don't go to his speaking events. That would be awesome if no one showed up at at least one of them, I'd be laughing my ass off for days.

For a guy that wants to leave Canada real bad, you have to ask what are his real intentions for this little Canada wide stunt.

[Bodah]

Rex making sense again...

http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthan ... 00408.html

[PimpBrewski123]

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

L'identitarisme québécois impose un énorme sens de culpabilité sur les individus face au groupe. Au Québec, on n'a pas le droit d'être trop individualiste.

De facon générale, il faudrait tout simplement débarrasser les médias ''gauchistes'' dans cette province. La plupart des journalistes Québecois sont habituellement pro-syndicats, pro-PQ, pro-nationalistes. C'est tout simplement du sensationnalisme et d'une certaine facon, de la propagande. C'est facile pour eux de manipuler des reportages ''edited'' et ensuite provoquer des vagues pro ou contre certaines affiliations politiques à leur manière.

[Toro]

Is the Bloc still around? I thought they'd shriveled up and died.

[MacDonaill]

PimpBrewski123 PimpBrewski123:

MacDonaill MacDonaill:

L'identitarisme québécois impose un énorme sens de culpabilité sur les individus face au groupe. Au Québec, on n'a pas le droit d'être trop individualiste.

De facon générale, il faudrait tout simplement débarrasser les médias ''gauchistes'' dans cette province. La plupart des journalistes Québecois sont habituellement pro-syndicats, pro-PQ, pro-nationalistes. C'est tout simplement du sensationnalisme et d'une certaine facon, de la propagande. C'est facile pour eux de manipuler des reportages ''edited'' et ensuite provoquer des vagues pro ou contre certaines affiliations politiques à leur manière.

T'as raison. Parfois c'est juste grossièrement évident que les médias ne cherchent qu'à provoquer pour la provocation elle-même. Ce sont des fouille-merdes.