[GreenTiger]

Now we are electing strippers to the Senate, God help us.

[Pseudonym]

Scape Scape:

I heard that the dem that ran was AWOL for almost a month. I wouldn't vote for that sort of BS either.

I understand that at that point, she had something like a 30-point lead in the polls. Once she saw it slipping and got back on the campaign trail, she generally didn't do herself any favors. Brown certainly ran a good campaign, but Coakley contributed strongly to her own defeat.

[BartSimpson]

xerxes xerxes:

But didn't you hear? Taxes are communism. And besides, the GOP hasn't shown anything resembling the will to compromise on anything. Their whole agenda lately has been to act like petulant children and say no to everything.

And the Democrats are supposed to compromise on what?

That's what got the Dems into this dilemma is that they got arrogant and thought they didn't need to listen to the people who didn't want the leftist utopian health care plan.

Consider that the single most left-wing state in the Union just voted in a Republican and that should tell you something about the problems the Dems have with listening to their own base.

[BartSimpson]

Pseudonym Pseudonym:

Scape Scape:

I heard that the dem that ran was AWOL for almost a month. I wouldn't vote for that sort of BS either.

I understand that at that point, she had something like a 30-point lead in the polls. Once she saw it slipping and got back on the campaign trail, she generally didn't do herself any favors. Brown certainly ran a good campaign, but Coakley contributed strongly to her own defeat.

Obama didn't help by going negative on Brown and then in the same speech admitting that he didn't know that much about Brown at all. Obama went on to accuse Brown of recently buying his pickup truck (a prop in the election) when, in fact, Brown had bought it new and put over 200,000 miles on it himself and the truck is something semi-famous in Massachussetts. So all of this hurt the Dems and did not help them.

[bootlegga]

Thanos Thanos:

Yes. it's thrilling to see that the hordes of sick and poor people who needed some help have been successfully driven back to the darkness from which they came, and now can easily be ignored again. NOKD, and all that, in the merry land of of-the-rich, by-the-rich, and for-the-rich. Besides it would have cost too much. In five years though, when it's cost a couple of trillion to keep the American military ensconced in the radioactive ruins of Tehran, the money will certainly be available. But freebies for the welfare leeches? Nah. Fuck them.

No doubt!

[N_Fiddledog]

Something which is often ignored is Republicans are not generally opposed to making healthcare available to all. It's more a case of how you do it.

Before Watergate hit Richard Nixon was pushing for a plan where healthcare would be purchased for the poor.

[BartSimpson]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Something which is generally ignored is Republicans are not generally to opposed to making healthcare available to all.

Indeed. The principle thing the GOP supports is limitations on the malpractice lawsuits that drive up the cost of healthcare and that have driven so many doctors out of obstetrics.

The Democrats oppose tort reform because:

1. Most of the sitting Democrats in Congress (and Obama) are lawyers whose incomes would be directly affected by tort reform.

2. The Democrat health care bill allows lawyers to sue the government for malpractice which, of course, will drive up the cost of government health care but it will also give the Democrat lawyers a target with deeper pockets.

If the Democrats would agree to tort reform it is possible this bill could pass.

[N_Fiddledog]

I hear the Republicans also like the idea of selling healthcare across state lines.

Something else happened today. Nancy Pelosi said she doesn't have the votes to pass the Senate bill through the House

So that appears to mean the era of the proposed Mega-bills is dead.

The response from the right is something like...

$1:

it’s an ignominious defeat for Obama and Pelosi, whose radical approach and “I won” attitude finally caught up with them. Even with massive majorities and a filibuster-proof caucus, they could not jam down a massive government intrusion into the private sector through Congress. They overreached, and now they have been exposed as radicals in the middle of an election year.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/21/b ... care-bill/

[commanderkai]

Don't you know Fiddle and Bart? All Republicans are evil. They have no ideas but enjoy dying poor people, so sayeth leftists.

[BartSimpson]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Don't you know Fiddle and Bart? All Republicans are evil. They have no ideas but enjoy dying poor people, so sayeth leftists.

I also recall the leftists saying that we opposed "green" energy but then when us capitalists found ways to make money from solar and wind power the lefties suddenly decided to oppose solar and wind power.

It kind of puts the truth to the old maxim that liberalism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, is enjoying themselves.

[N_Fiddledog]

This one from the Miami Herald is fun...

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/changing ... -dead.html

It concerns the coverage of the Brown/Coakley election from MSNBC versus the coverage from Fox.

[xerxes]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Don't you know Fiddle and Bart? All Republicans are evil. They have no ideas but enjoy dying poor people, so sayeth leftists.

I also recall the leftists saying that we opposed "green" energy but then when us capitalists found ways to make money from solar and wind power the lefties suddenly decided to oppose solar and wind power.

It kind of puts the truth to the old maxim that liberalism is the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, is enjoying themselves.

That would be Puritanism I believe.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Something which is often ignored is Republicans are not generally opposed to making healthcare available to all. It's more a case of how you do it.

Before Watergate hit Richard Nixon was pushing for a plan where healthcare would be purchased for the poor.

Yes, it's a sad state of affairs when current Republicanism has me yearning for Tricky Dick!

[Zipperfish]

commanderkai commanderkai:

Don't you know Fiddle and Bart? All Republicans are evil. They have no ideas but enjoy dying poor people, so sayeth leftists.

Don't fall into the partisan trap, commander. A healthy (no pun intended) dose of respect for both sides from both sides would probably do more to further this debate than any of the foaming-at-the-mouth rhetoric we keep seeing.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Something which is often ignored is Republicans are not generally opposed to making healthcare available to all. It's more a case of how you do it.

Before Watergate hit Richard Nixon was pushing for a plan where healthcare would be purchased for the poor.

Yes, it's a sad state of affairs when current Republicanism has me yearning for Tricky Dick!

No, what you suggest is incorrect. I have heard current Republicans also speak out in favor of access to healthcare for all. They want it done in a fiscally responsible manner, which will minimize Big Government control is all.