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Brenda
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 Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:03 pm
2 year olds let go of your hand and run after a butterfly. CLEARLY a 2 year old, that you didn't see coming, but you still drive over.
This 2 year old wurmed himself out of his mom's arms. Hardly preventable when you also have one hanging on your leg.
Accidents DO happen. Period.
Like I said before, I will talk to you again when you have todlers yourself who scare the shit out of you because they did something totally unexpected.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:05 pm
Back on topic,
Sad to say, I'm glad i'm not one of those parents.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:18 pm
Brenda Brenda: 2 year olds let go of your hand and run after a butterfly. CLEARLY a 2 year old, that you didn't see coming, but you still drive over.
This 2 year old wurmed himself out of his mom's arms. Hardly preventable when you also have one hanging on your leg.
Accidents DO happen. Period.
Like I said before, I will talk to you again when you have todlers yourself who scare the shit out of you because they did something totally unexpected. And the point being made from the very beginning is that she chose to stand with that child in an area that clearly presented a danger. Everyone in the thread clearly sees it for a horrible accident, but some forethought(like standing away back from the railing at a safe distance) could have prevented it. There is so much shit that is almost unavoidable in life, so some proactive thought should go into things to minimize avoidable accidents.
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:22 pm
Like I said, if her mom and dad had never met, it wouldn't have happened either.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:39 pm
That's like saying if your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle. A bit different than using some forethought. She had an element of control in the matter.
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 6:45 pm
Buts, ifs, could've's and would've's are totally unnecessary here.
Why lay a blame?
With saying "Accidents don't happen", like my good friend Mikey did, it is implied she somehow did it on purpose. Stood there on purpose, didn't hold him close enough on purpose...
Fact is, todlers do weird, unexpected things. I can imagine he just wanted to look over the railing. Don't we all hold our kids to let them watch? When your other one bumps into your legs for a leg hug, and you sort of stumble, are not very stable on your feet, do you have any control?
On the flip side, we all have some control in every matter... Everything we do or don't do is a choice...
The one thing that got me so pissed was the phrase "accidents don't happen".
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:00 pm
Brenda Brenda: Buts, ifs, could've's and would've's are totally unnecessary here.
Why lay a blame?
With saying "Accidents don't happen", like my good friend Mikey did, it is implied she somehow did it on purpose. Stood there on purpose, didn't hold him close enough on purpose...
Fact is, todlers do weird, unexpected things. I can imagine he just wanted to look over the railing. Don't we all hold our kids to let them watch? When your other one bumps into your legs for a leg hug, and you sort of stumble, are not very stable on your feet, do you have any control?
On the flip side, we all have some control in every matter... Everything we do or don't do is a choice...
The one thing that got me so pissed was the phrase "accidents don't happen". Next time don't go to the airport or do anything at all where there will be some form of element of risk or where oh so human inattention could contribute to an accident.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:07 pm
I have a hard time reading stuff on this having a 3 year-old.
Very sad.
My heart goes out to the parents who will never get over this.
Just so very sad.
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Posts: 284
Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:17 pm
You guys are misinterpreting this. When I quoted "There are no accidents," it doesn't imply she had the intent to throw her child off the ledge. I'm not talking about a fucking homicide and neither are the police. Yes, 'accidents' happen, but the quote (hold on here, I know it's tricky to wrap your head around it) means that they SHOULDN'T happen (read: preventable).
It's not such a hard concept.
Why do we have traffic lights, road signs, helmets, railings, signs, equipment lock out, etc. It's because accidents are preventable.
Why lay a blame you say? Well it's simple. To learn from the situation and ensure it does not happen again.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:20 pm
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:33 pm
mikewood86 mikewood86: You guys are misinterpreting this. When I quoted "There are no accidents," it doesn't imply she had the intent to throw her child off the ledge. I'm not talking about a fucking homicide and neither are the police. Yes, 'accidents' happen, but the quote (hold on here, I know it's tricky to wrap your head around it) means that they SHOULDN'T happen (read: preventable).
It's not such a hard concept.
Why do we have traffic lights, road signs, helmets, railings, signs, equipment lock out, etc. It's because accidents are preventable.
Why lay a blame you say? Well it's simple. To learn from the situation and ensure it does not happen again. You got kids mike?
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:41 pm
Nope.
And I know where you are going...the whole kids are unpredictable and you will never know until you have one. Ok, but I don't think that is a fair or strong argument really. I have been around kids many times, looked after kids many times, seen how kids act. We all were kids once too.
That argument really holds no ground when the 'accident' involves a child falling 60 feet to their death.
But lets keep doing this dance.
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:48 pm
I don't think you would have come to a "I told you so" and a "You guys were negligent" conclusion if you actually had a kid.
I too was very non-committal about kids when I was 23.
This is a very sad episode.
Your uneducated second guessing borders on being crass. Do try a bit of empathy.
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:48 pm
The moment you hold your own flesh and blood in your arms, let me know. And then give me an honest answer to the question: See the difference between someone elses kid and your own?
Then, 2 or 3 years down the line, after taking care of them 24/7/365, and allll the feelings involved, tell me again.
Seriously, you have NO clue.
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Brenda
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Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 7:53 pm
Gunnair Gunnair: Brenda Brenda: Buts, ifs, could've's and would've's are totally unnecessary here.
Why lay a blame?
With saying "Accidents don't happen", like my good friend Mikey did, it is implied she somehow did it on purpose. Stood there on purpose, didn't hold him close enough on purpose...
Fact is, todlers do weird, unexpected things. I can imagine he just wanted to look over the railing. Don't we all hold our kids to let them watch? When your other one bumps into your legs for a leg hug, and you sort of stumble, are not very stable on your feet, do you have any control?
On the flip side, we all have some control in every matter... Everything we do or don't do is a choice...
The one thing that got me so pissed was the phrase "accidents don't happen". Next time don't go to the airport or do anything at all where there will be some form of element of risk or where oh so human inattention could contribute to an accident. Huh? I never said "accidents don't happen". They do, and you cant lock yourself up in your house to prevent them, because then, somehow, your roof will fall on your head. It is a very sad tragedy, and my heart goes out to her, her husband, and their other child. They are the ones suffering, not to lay a blame on.
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