[BartSimpson]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Why would we need nuclear submarines? They are clandestine;

You answered your own question.

[EyeBrock]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'm not sure if 3 weeks and 400 nm is enough range, but anything would be better than what we have up there nowadays...

No, they can dive to 400 metres! The range is advertised as 14,000 kms and patrol time as 3 months, with up to 3 weeks without surfacing or using the snorkel.

[BartSimpson]

Given the nature of the ice nuc subs are the only way to counter nations that have nuc subs. If Canada is serious about controlling these waters then you have to be able to play ball with some serious players. Russia, France, China, UK, USA, all have nuc subs and, frankly, all of them have strategic interests in the north. YOUR north, I might add.

[EyeBrock]

I can't ever see Canada getting nuke subs, too politically sensitive. Nasty glowing subs and all that.

These Jerry built boats would be much more acceptable, plus they have a sound and effective service record.

Those boats would be able to move around pretty well up there and would be cost effective in comparison with the big fuck-off nuke boats that all the big boys have up there and they are designed as attack subs/hunter-killer subs.

They also have the SF capability to get into shallow waters to deliver JTF2 teams on SF ops, making them good for other missions and I'm on commission to sell them.

[Wada]

Mmph! and just what are any subs going to be doing in the arctic? Mine diamonds, drill oilwells, what exactly?

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I'm not sure if 3 weeks and 400 nm is enough range, but anything would be better than what we have up there nowadays...

No, they can dive to 400 metres! The range is advertised as 14,000 kms and patrol time as 3 months, with up to 3 weeks without surfacing or using the snorkel.

Ok, that sounds better.

I think diesel subs might be as good or better than nukes because they are cheaper to operate, usually as quiet (or quieter), and because our Navy already has lots of experience with diesel subs.

[EyeBrock]

Wada Wada:

Mmph! and just what are any subs going to be doing in the arctic? Mine diamonds, drill oilwells, what exactly?

Er, challenge other subs that are entering our waters?

The logic in this seems to be escaping you. As it stands anybody can sail into our Arctic undetected and unchallenged.
It's kinda like a threat to our sovereignty.

[Winnipegger]

Hmm, cute cartoon. Here's a real photograph: HMS Sheffield vs Exocet missile, 4 May 1982.

[EyeBrock]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Hmm, cute cartoon. Here's a real photograph: HMS Sheffield vs Exocet missile, 4 May 1982.

Yep, I was in that war. That was an air-launched missile. That's when we all knew that it was a real war.

[gonavy47]

From an Argentinian mirage fighter wasn't it?

[EyeBrock]

gonavy47 gonavy47:

From an Argentinian mirage fighter wasn't it?

Argie Super Etendard.

[bootlegga]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Hmm, cute cartoon. Here's a real photograph: HMS Sheffield vs Exocet missile, 4 May 1982.

Cute picture, here's what the Arctic looks like for a large part of the year...


















































How far can you pilot see in a whiteout? That's even if he can get off the ground.

And the Argies got very lucky with the Exocet. They just happened to have had them delivered and most of the RN ships there didn't have anti-missile defences installed to defeat them. Modern frigates from most navies now have much better protection from such missiles. And if a naval task force from any major power were to sail through the Arctic, they'd have even better defences, like anti-air destroyers (Arleigh Burke - USN and Sovremenny class - PLA and Russian Navy are two good examples).

[EyeBrock]

Cute picture? 20 guys died in that explosion. Not very cute at all.

[bootlegga]

I was being facetious...

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Hmm, cute cartoon. Here's a real photograph: HMS Sheffield vs Exocet missile, 4 May 1982.

Yep, I was in that war. That was an air-launched missile. That's when we all knew that it was a real war.

You sure it wasn't when the HMS Conqueror killed 300+ Argies on the Belgrano?