[romanP]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Regina Regina:

romanP romanP:

Are you kidding? There are a lot of incredibly stupid people attending colleges all across North America. Some of them even graduate. Just because you've got a peice of paper doesn't necessarily mean you're brilliant, it might just mean you have a lot of money or know how to bargain your way to the top with a minumum of actual work.

BS ..........No moron would think they're joining the armed forces to play bugle and dance.

He just keeps trotting this out on every thread.

How can ANYBODY not be aware that the US Army, that has been in Afghanistan since 2001 and Iraq since 2003, is in combat?
It's on the news every bloody day, Iraq vets have been on American Idol and other mainstream shows help out vets etc. There are yellow ribbons on millions of US cars.

Merely knowing that they're in combat doesn't mean everyone knows what that means.

[Smacle]

Nobody can fully understand what it feels like to be shot at or to have their vehicle blown up untill it actually happens to them. That doesn't mean they were tricked into going there in the first place. All soldiers fully understand the dangers of losing a limb or their lives. If they didn't understand before they joined, the few years of training and hanging out with the various vets in their unit has no doubt opened their eyes and nobody is forced to go to afghanistan. If you don't want to go, we don't want to take you. It's that simple. There is a point a few month before a tour where you have to sign a "warning order" and after that you are locked in but by that point anybody who doesn't know what to expect is a damn fool. Just ask yourself how many soldiers have deserted during a tour? I can't think of any. That must say something about their determination.

[Sapio]

ridenrain ridenrain:

But Obama promised things would be different..

Yes indeed, Obama or McCain it would have been all the same.

[Gunnair]

Praxius Praxius:

Smacle Smacle:

Back then, people still cared about virtues like courage, duty, and self-sacrifice. It's not really so hard to understand that soldiers actually believe in what they are fighting for, is it?

Once you're part of the military, you're told what to believe in.

Apparenty cluelessness is a virus...

[Gunnair]

romanP romanP:

If I'm so clueless, why don't you fill me in?

Do people not get maimed and killed in wars anymore?

You've suddenly tried to change the parameters of your argument.

Doesn't work that way.

[Gunnair]

romanP romanP:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Regina Regina:

He just keeps trotting this out on every thread.

How can ANYBODY not be aware that the US Army, that has been in Afghanistan since 2001 and Iraq since 2003, is in combat?
It's on the news every bloody day, Iraq vets have been on American Idol and other mainstream shows help out vets etc. There are yellow ribbons on millions of US cars.

Merely knowing that they're in combat doesn't mean everyone knows what that means.

You base that on what, exactly?

[Gunnair]

Praxius Praxius:

martin14 martin14:

speaking as someone with years of experience, no doubt

Just poking with a stick, I wasn't being serious.

Drop the art, become a comedian...

[Praxius]

Smacle Smacle:

Nobody can fully understand what it feels like to be shot at or to have their vehicle blown up untill it actually happens to them. That doesn't mean they were tricked into going there in the first place. All soldiers fully understand the dangers of losing a limb or their lives. If they didn't understand before they joined, the few years of training and hanging out with the various vets in their unit has no doubt opened their eyes and nobody is forced to go to afghanistan. If you don't want to go, we don't want to take you. It's that simple. There is a point a few month before a tour where you have to sign a "warning order" and after that you are locked in but by that point anybody who doesn't know what to expect is a damn fool. Just ask yourself how many soldiers have deserted during a tour? I can't think of any. That must say something about their determination.

You're comparing Canada to the US, and the US is what is in question.

How many have deserted the US forces and how many of them tried to hide here in Canada?

Many have no choice and in fact many of them are forced to go back and do multiple tours beyond what they originally agreed to.

Many are told they'll be doing one thing, yet once they're in, they're told that because troop levels are short, they're being sent over. They are part of the service now, they signed the agreement, they have no choice but to go over, or make a run for the border.

http://www.resisters.ca/index_en.html

Many joined up to serve because they believed what they were told, they thought they were doing the right thing. Then after a tour or two and being forced to do more, many seen the truth, seen past the lies, seen how the people don't even want them there.... they see the atrocities commited and any and all justification of the war is lost.

In their views, everything these people have been told was a lie and they now have no choice but to do as they're told or face prison.... and worse.

Here's an example:

Deserters: We Won't Go To Iraq
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/ ... 9336.shtml

""I didn’t want, you know, 'Died deluded in Iraq' over my gravestone," says Felushko. "If I'd gone, personally, because of the things that I believed, it would have felt wrong. Because I saw it as wrong, if I died there or killed somebody there, that would have been more wrong."

He told Pelley it wasn't fighting that bothered him. In fact, he says he started basic training just weeks after al Qaeda attacked New York and Washington –- and he was prepared to get even for Sept. 11 in Afghanistan.

But Felushko says he didn't see a connection between the attack on America and Saddam Hussein.

"(What) it basically comes down to, is it my right to choose between what I think is right and what I think is wrong?" asks Felushko. "And nobody should make me sign away my ability to choose between right and wrong."

But Felushko had signed a contract to be with the U.S. Marine Corps. "It's a devil's contract if you look at it that way," he says."

[Praxius]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Apparenty cluelessness is a virus...

Apparently people in here not able to understand a friggin joke is another virus.

Get over it.

[Praxius]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Drop the art, become a comedian...

I do both and more.... some people have the ability to multi-task.

Drop the one-liners of self-imposed expert opinion and actually move on with the debate with something productive.

Geez some people sure are anal.

I wasn't even responding to you with that comment, I don't need comments from the peanut gallery on a joke I say to someone else.

Don't like it? Move on and ignore it.... it'll go away a lot faster.

[EyeBrock]

Praxius Praxius:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Drop the art, become a comedian...

I do both and more.... some people have the ability to multi-task.

Drop the one-liners of self-imposed expert opinion and actually move on with the debate with something productive.

Geez some people sure are anal.

He's a serving sailor in the Canadian Forces. I'll go with him being an expert over daffy duck prax.

[Praxius]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

He's a serving sailor in the Canadian Forces. I'll go with him being an expert over daffy duck prax.

Well good for him... he can still learn to take a damn joke.

And if you think a joke is somehow "expert" opinion, then I don't know what to tell you.

Care to move on now or did my little comment with an obvious winky icon to show it was a joke still stick like a thorn in some people's sides?

[ridenrain]

Running away from a draft is one thing but these retards volunteered and signed a contract. Canada has no reason or obligations to accept these fools.

[PENATRATOR]

Thanos Thanos:

I dunno. They aired "Stripes" unedited today and all that army shit kinda looks like it fucking rules.

[Gunnair]

"Praxius" wrote:

$1:

I do both and more.... some people have the ability to multi-task.

Some do. I appreciate your aspirations.

$1:

Drop the one-liners of self-imposed expert opinion and actually move on with the debate with something productive.

Don't like it? Move on and ignore it...

$1:

Geez some people sure are anal.

Yep. Some people sure are clueless as well.

$1:

I wasn't even responding to you with that comment, I don't need comments from the peanut gallery on a joke I say to someone else.

Your self proclaimed forum experience seems to be lacking here. Permission is not required...

$1:

Don't like it? Move on and ignore it.... it'll go away a lot faster.

Pot this is kettle...