[Gunnair]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

PJB PJB:

I guess the laws defend the lawbreakers and no one else.

Given the Crown's record of dealing with natives and native issues over the last 30 or 40 decades that there aren't a few Canadians who might think that this group of Indians might indeed have a point.

$1:

Members of Peguis First Nation in Manitoba have accepted a historic land claim settlement worth $126 million after a weekend referendum. ...

$1:

Band members were evicted from the Selkirk-area land in 1907. Four years later, a provincial commission ruled the move invalid. But federal officials insisted that the Peguis relocate to what was largely swampland along Lake Winnipeg.

Evict them, re-locate them, promise them something then steal it back...

You know I'm a little ashamed at the state of my people these days, but if I were white I'd be a little more ashamed that white people made promises that we never intended to keep, and that the white people offered their word to people and then gave them swampland.

But actually the $126 million is rewarding those who were harmed in this situation.

Perhaps you should trace who's families benefited from these illegalities that today cost taxpayers millions and millions and get it out of them.

But of course you won't. Most of you'll just keep blaming the Indians.

There are two sides of me, one that recognizes that most white folks are good, understanding and honest people.

The other side kind of relishes these little victories because they just don't hand out $126 million...that $126 million means legally we were right all along.

It's the damnedest shame that in your typical diatribe of blame, guilt, and self pity, I have yet to hear you question the qualities of your community leadership. There is a lot of money that goes into native communities, and there is every indication that corruption is ripe by a handful of shamelessly greedy leaders who exercise unbelievable independence from government oversight. In the past, even the suggestion of an audit brings roars of indignation from tribal councils who seem to believe that they can exercise near feudal authority.

Funny how you are conspicuously silent on that.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Perhaps you should trace who's families benefited from these illegalities

That's pretty much the same argument that the Palestinians use when they send suicide bombers into crowds of innocent people.

The people of Caledonia didn't do anything wrong. If the natives have a beef they can take it up with the government. Don't target innocent people who have done nothing to you.

[PluggyRug]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

My parents had a place not far from there, Georgina Island.

Spending some time there, you really get an idea what Native culture is all about these days.

Nowadays, my experience is with the people of Alderville First Nations Reserve...and it's almost the same as Georgina Island. Same type of people, same corrupt Bands, same illegal smokes and gas....the whole deal.

Me too. Are you living anywhere near Rosenheath?

[PluggyRug]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Evict them, re-locate them, promise them something then steal it back...

You know I'm a little ashamed at the state of my people these days, but if I were white I'd be a little more ashamed that white people made promises that we never intended to keep, and that the white people offered their word to people and then gave them swampland.

But actually the $126 million is rewarding those who were harmed in this situation.

Perhaps you should trace who's families benefited from these illegalities that today cost taxpayers millions and millions and get it out of them.

But of course you won't. Most of you'll just keep blaming the Indians.

There are two sides of me, one that recognizes that most white folks are good, understanding and honest people.

The other side kind of relishes these little victories because they just don't hand out $126 million...that $126 million means legally we were right all along.

Whats all this "white people" nonsense.

I have green eyes, grey hair, pink skin, brown moles...and you call me white.

[Donny_Brasco]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Perhaps you should trace who's families benefited from these illegalities

That's pretty much the same argument that the Palestinians use when they send suicide bombers into crowds of innocent people.

The people of Caledonia didn't do anything wrong. If the natives have a beef they can take it up with the government. Don't target innocent people who have done nothing to you.

Seriously. Who do you think pays that $126 million dollars?

You do. If you are fine with that so am I.

Now you could blame the Natives but this is a legal matter handled through your own courts with your own government.

And if it is fine with you that very, very fortunate families today are heriditary owners of the money and land they have because of liers and thieves...I dont get it but OK.

You win, now pay up lol.

[Donny_Brasco]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Whats all this "white people" nonsense.

I have green eyes, grey hair, pink skin, brown moles...and you call me white.

I'm not allowed to say pink people...but I sure would like to.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Perhaps you should trace who's families benefited from these illegalities

That's pretty much the same argument that the Palestinians use when they send suicide bombers into crowds of innocent people.

The people of Caledonia didn't do anything wrong. If the natives have a beef they can take it up with the government. Don't target innocent people who have done nothing to you.

Seriously. Who do you think pays that $126 million dollars?

You do. If you are fine with that so am I.

Now you could blame the Natives but this is a legal matter handled through your own courts with your own government.

And if it is fine with you that very, very fortunate families today are heriditary owners of the money and land they have because of liars and thieves...I dont get it but OK.

You win, now pay up lol.

What I was getting at is that the actions of the natives out in Caledonia are nothing less than terrorism. You can try and justify it any way you want but at the end of the day regardless of how much money you walk away with people will still think the natives who are doing this are nothing more than your stereotypical Indians. No amount of money will buy you respect and their actions will do nothing more than perpetuate the very stereotypes you so hate Donny. Oh, and what will they do when they piss all that money away which often seems to be the case? It will still be our land and you'll be back to square one.

[OnTheIce]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

My parents had a place not far from there, Georgina Island.

Spending some time there, you really get an idea what Native culture is all about these days.

Nowadays, my experience is with the people of Alderville First Nations Reserve...and it's almost the same as Georgina Island. Same type of people, same corrupt Bands, same illegal smokes and gas....the whole deal.

Me too. Are you living anywhere near Rosenheath?

My family and I own a few places just North of Roseneath.

[Donny_Brasco]

If "people" thought that...then you really would not have a problem removing them from where ever they are causing the issue.

So why do you think they are still there?

[Gunnair]

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Donny_Brasco Donny_Brasco:

Perhaps you should trace who's families benefited from these illegalities

That's pretty much the same argument that the Palestinians use when they send suicide bombers into crowds of innocent people.

The people of Caledonia didn't do anything wrong. If the natives have a beef they can take it up with the government. Don't target innocent people who have done nothing to you.

Seriously. Who do you think pays that $126 million dollars?

You do. If you are fine with that so am I.

Now you could blame the Natives but this is a legal matter handled through your own courts with your own government.

And if it is fine with you that very, very fortunate families today are heriditary owners of the money and land they have because of liers and thieves...I dont get it but OK.

You win, now pay up lol.

And after all, with all that money and smugness, what has it got you, Donny?

Nothing has changed.

[SprCForr]

Reel in the rhetoric.

All of you are capable of making your point without the trolling and flaming.

[RUEZ]

sandorski sandorski:

This will Fail miserably. Vigilantiism has no place in a Modern Society.

Interesting. Isn't that what the first nations are doing?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Lemmy Lemmy:

PJB PJB:

I can see where this is going. This will not end nicely. The erection of this so-called cigarette shack implies that the natives are operating a business that I am assuming is selling cigarettes, odds are illegal ones, tax free.

I guess the laws defend the lawbreakers and no one else.

Why would you assume that they're selling illegal cigarettes? The are plenty of Native tobacco stores around Ontario and they're perfectly legitimate businesses.

Are they also on someones front lawn?

[Lemmy]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Are they also on someones front lawn?

That's the whole issue, isn't it? Who's lawn IS it?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Lemmy Lemmy:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Are they also on someones front lawn?

That's the whole issue, isn't it? Who's lawn IS it?

I don't think think it's an issue of the claim of which the natives have but rather the way in which they have chosen to contest that claim. Just because the case is going before the courts it doesn't give you the right to up and plunk down a cigarette stand on the property of someone who currently holds a legal land title. And yes I know you'll probably reply that the same goes for the guy building the house but the natives have yet to prove their claim in court until they do it's his land not theirs.