[hurley_108]

ziggy ziggy:

It's not a subsidy dude,it's their tax dollars given back to them to drill more holes.

How is that not a subsidy? If the government is giving them money to do what they do, that's a subsidy.

[ziggy]

You need to learn the difference between a subsidy and a royalty.

Theres a big difference between giving someone their own money back or the governments.

[hurley_108]

ziggy ziggy:

You need to learn the difference between a subsidy and a royalty.

Theres a big difference between giving someone their own money back or the governments.

Whose money is it? Isn't it Albertans' money? Isn't the royalty a fee charged to the oil and gas companies so that Albertans get some of the value of the oil and gas resources?

It seems you think that all the value of those resources belongs to the oil and gas companies and that the royalties are the Government taking what belongs to the comapnies.

[ziggy]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ziggy ziggy:

You need to learn the difference between a subsidy and a royalty.

Theres a big difference between giving someone their own money back or the governments.

Whose money is it? Isn't it Albertans' money? Isn't the royalty a fee charged to the oil and gas companies so that Albertans get some of the value of the oil and gas resources?

It seems you think that all the value of those resources belongs to the oil and gas companies and that the royalties are the Government taking what belongs to the comapnies.

And when things are slow the royalty should be reduced,seeing how it was raised means theres less drilling.
The energy industry is paying the government for resources extracted and they do it on their dime.
Tax the shit out of them and they will drill elsewhere,thats not hard to figure out bud.

Up the royalty and they will move on to greener pastures,lose lose for everyone involved.

But lets give 100 million to the arts,thats a real creative industry that will get everyone working.

[hurley_108]

ziggy ziggy:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

ziggy ziggy:

You need to learn the difference between a subsidy and a royalty.

Theres a big difference between giving someone their own money back or the governments.

Whose money is it? Isn't it Albertans' money? Isn't the royalty a fee charged to the oil and gas companies so that Albertans get some of the value of the oil and gas resources?

It seems you think that all the value of those resources belongs to the oil and gas companies and that the royalties are the Government taking what belongs to the comapnies.

And when things are slow the royalty should be reduced,seeing how it was raised means theres less drilling.
The energy industry is paying the government for resources extracted and they do it on their dime.
Tax the shit out of them and they will drill elsewhere,thats not hard to figure out bud.

Up the royalty and they will move on to greener pastures,lose lose for everyone involved.

Except that the resources stay in the ground, ready to be extracted when the price recovers.

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But lets give 100 million to the arts,thats a real creative industry that will get everyone working.

People don't pay money to enjoy the arts? But this isn't even all about arts. I heard on the radio this morning the Edmonton Indy is upset about the way this is to be doled out as it's based on attendance, and Indy won't let them publish attendance figures. This is for any kind of event that draws tourists.

[ziggy]

Hurley said

$1:

People don't pay money to enjoy the arts?

Obviously they dont pay enough if their vice needs a handout to stay afloat.

I dont think tourism is the way to go right about now,the reality is theres a global recession,priorities mate,priorities.

You want your yuk yuks or to participate in the gay pride parade then pay for it yourself,why should my tax dollars go to fund it?

[RUEZ]

The title of this article says festivals. Festivals aren't usually a money making cultural event. They are festivities. If we are going 30 billion in debt a few hundred million for some festivals isn't going to kill us, and right about now people need something to celebrate.

[hurley_108]

ziggy ziggy:

Hurley said

$1:

People don't pay money to enjoy the arts?

Obviously they dont pay enough if their vice needs a handout to stay afloat.

I dont think tourism is the way to go right about now,the reality is theres a global recession,priorities mate,priorities.

You want your yuk yuks or to participate in the gay pride parade then pay for it yourself,why should my tax dollars go to fund it?

Yea, priorities. In a recession, if an event that could give people a day to forget their worries and have fun can't cut it, it should just fold like everyone else. There should be no escape.

[hurley_108]

RUEZ RUEZ:

The title of this article says festivals. Festivals aren't usually a money making cultural event. They are festivities. If we are going 30 billion in debt a few hundred million for some festivals isn't going to kill us, and right about now people need something to celebrate.

Exactly. I could not agree more.

[commanderkai]

DerbyX DerbyX:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Why not? The reason they create a budget is because they allocate funds to so and so department for so and so project. All it would take is a few people actually reading the budget, and picking and choosing which projects would be worth cutting.

Until its your budget that gets cut and then the screaming starts. The Libs did that in 93. By definition the military was pretty non-essential to post-war and post-cold war Canada yet not much support for cuts there. Ditto just about anything they cut.

So it's not that we can't cut, it's the fact that none of the political parties have the balls to cut. And if one proposes to cut, the other two will bitch and moan and threaten an election. I'm not pinning this on ANY political party, just a sad fact of government.

[ziggy]

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

The title of this article says festivals. Festivals aren't usually a money making cultural event. They are festivities. If we are going 30 billion in debt a few hundred million for some festivals isn't going to kill us, and right about now people need something to celebrate.

Exactly. I could not agree more.

Money well spent,I'm sure. Which one are you attending?

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No eligible events were mentioned, but Ontario contenders could include Luminato, the Toronto International Film Festival, the Stratford Festival, the Shaw Festival, Caribana, Just for Laughs and Pride Week.

[hurley_108]

ziggy ziggy:

hurley_108 hurley_108:

RUEZ RUEZ:

The title of this article says festivals. Festivals aren't usually a money making cultural event. They are festivities. If we are going 30 billion in debt a few hundred million for some festivals isn't going to kill us, and right about now people need something to celebrate.

Exactly. I could not agree more.

Money well spent,I'm sure. Which one are you attending?

$1:

No eligible events were mentioned, but Ontario contenders could include Luminato, the Toronto International Film Festival, the Stratford Festival, the Shaw Festival, Caribana, Just for Laughs and Pride Week.

I have attended the Edmonton Indy twice, I go to the Heritage Festival every year, and frequently go to the Street Performers' festival. You have to, of course, pay to go to the Indy. At the Heritage Festival you buy tickets to exchange for food from around the world, and can buy handicrafts in the style of other countries. The Street Performers is free to attend, but you give a few dollars to the performers at the end of the act. Are these eligible? I don't know. I hope so. They're great events.

[DerbyX]

commanderkai commanderkai:

DerbyX DerbyX:

commanderkai commanderkai:

Why not? The reason they create a budget is because they allocate funds to so and so department for so and so project. All it would take is a few people actually reading the budget, and picking and choosing which projects would be worth cutting.

Until its your budget that gets cut and then the screaming starts. The Libs did that in 93. By definition the military was pretty non-essential to post-war and post-cold war Canada yet not much support for cuts there. Ditto just about anything they cut.

So it's not that we can't cut, it's the fact that none of the political parties have the balls to cut. And if one proposes to cut, the other two will bitch and moan and threaten an election. I'm not pinning this on ANY political party, just a sad fact of government.

I hope you mean current parties because Chretien showed he did have the balls to do what was required. Harper was elected based largely on the belief that he would run a smaller and less expensive government. Nobody including the NDP says they are a party who will cut the fat so to speak.

[ziggy]

I guess if it wasnt for grant money to artists then Cretian wouldnt have had an Innuit sculpture to beat on unwanted guests in his home.

[DerbyX]

Actually I think Innuit soapstone carvings is a decent business for them.