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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 11:17 am
 


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The subsidy does nothing to promote democracy...
You must not have a very firm grasp of the concept.



really?

maybe you would like to give us your explanation.

I like how you quoted me :lol:
nice edit.. leave out the facts that you don't want to discuss.

....as the ruling party collects the most and builds a nest egg for future elections..how do you think the Bloc has survived? The Bloc raised 7 million last year 6 million came from this subsidy!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:08 pm
 


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A coalition is a good move. The Libs, NDP and Green agree in advance to seats based on the popular vote they received last election. Then each party decides not to run candidates in the ridings of the others parties in proportion to the seats they want.

That eliminates the left votes cancelling each other out as each riding has a choice between the CPC candidate or a "coalition" candidate be they either Lib, NDP, or Green.

I think that idea would appeal to a great many Canadians and stick it most deservedly to the CPC.


I've said it before and I'll say it again. Who will lead this so called "coalition"? Dion is pretty much out as leader mainly because he has all ready announced his intent to step aside. Duceppe, I don't think I even need to elaborate on that. May, Duceppe would be a better pick than her and I think most people will agree with me on that. Which leaves Layton, the Liberals will never allow Layton to be the leader.

Harper has the opposition by the short and curlies and he knows it. What might happen here though is that the left will come to an arrangement to have a agreement in place that if something like this happens again then the frame work would be in place to allow for a quick alliance after the Liberal leadership race. I can't see it happening at this particular time though.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:14 pm
 


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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Who will lead this so called "coalition"? Dion is pretty much out as leader mainly because he has all ready announced his intent to step aside. Duceppe, I don't think I even need to elaborate on that. May, Duceppe would be a better pick than her and I think most people will agree with me on that. Which leaves Layton, the Liberals will never allow Layton to be the leader.


I've seen talk on various articles of either Goodale, as he's Liberal house leader, or even Ignatieff. It would basically have to be a Liberal, as they hold the next most seats after the Conservatives.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:15 pm
 


At issue panel

They had a good talk on that and Chantal Hébert made the most interesting point in that in this minority the government, like it or not, does not hold confidence of the house and that is a requirement by law. Can you imagine a coalition with the Liberals/NDP and Bloc? We could very well end up with Prime Minister Gilles Duceppe! Now that would be interesting.





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It will be interesting during the next election when Harper throws this back in the Liberals face. The Liberals were willing to forgo a leadership convention (now that's democracy) and form a government backed by separatists all to save their own finances.

Good luck trying to sell that BS to Canadians.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:22 pm
 


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I for one do not like the idea of a coalition. If the Liberals had put up a strong leader and actually ran a smart and hard campaign, they would have formed the government in the last election and there would be no issue of a split vote. I don't share the beliefs of all the parties in this supposed coalition so I'd have a tough time voting for a member in my riding that was from a party I don't support now. That in my opinion would be a dishonest vote.


The obvious counter to that argument is that had Harper run a competent election vs a weak leader in the 1st place he would have taken Quebec and the Canadian people would have handed him the mandate he demanded in the form of a majority. This is a confidence motion as any bill to do with the budget is and using a crisis as blackmail may well have worked for other governments but they weren't minorities were they?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:30 pm
 


I hope they press ahead, and get some kind of deal they can agree to keep on stand by. That kind of ace up their sleeves would definitely help keep this parliament on an even keel.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:31 pm
 


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:34 pm
 


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I hope they press ahead, and get some kind of deal they can agree to keep on stand by. That kind of ace up their sleeves would definitely help keep this parliament on an even keel.


This talk of coalition has taken a form all its own. I think the more they talk together and find they have more in common then they do with Harper the more they like the idea. The Grits are more than willing to dump Dion before May so this has potential. Grits have planned a confidence motion on Monday so this governments goose is cooked I think.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:40 pm
 


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really?

maybe you would like to give us your explanation.

You are the one saying change is needed, let's here you explain how elections should be financed. Keeping in mind it should not favour the views of one group of Canadians over the other. Let's hear your breakdown of who can donate and how much while keeping it fair. Good luck.

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I like how you quoted me :lol:
nice edit.. leave out the facts that you don't want to discuss.

....as the ruling party collects the most and builds a nest egg for future elections..how do you think the Bloc has survived? The Bloc raised 7 million last year 6 million came from this subsidy!
How has the Bloc survived? On VOTES unfortunately. Democracy, remember?


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:42 pm
 


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Adscam = $100 million
2008 election = $300 million

The Liberals get two more adscams before they've caught back up to Haper's shenanigans.


Give me a break. Are you forgetting the opportunist 2000 and 2004 elections? Going to the polls less than 4 years, right after Day was elected C.A. leader?

Going to the polls months after Harper was elected leader of the CPC?

Hypocrite. You guys on the left are so desperate it's sad really.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:46 pm
 


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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Who will lead this so called "coalition"? Dion is pretty much out as leader mainly because he has all ready announced his intent to step aside. Duceppe, I don't think I even need to elaborate on that. May, Duceppe would be a better pick than her and I think most people will agree with me on that. Which leaves Layton, the Liberals will never allow Layton to be the leader.

Harper has the opposition by the short and curlies and he knows it. What might happen here though is that the left will come to an arrangement to have a agreement in place that if something like this happens again then the frame work would be in place to allow for a quick alliance after the Liberal leadership race. I can't see it happening at this particular time though.


In the event of a coalition I don't think Dion is completely out of the picture. Layton certainly isn't. I may not support the NDP over their fiscal policies but I'll certainly support a coalition led by him even if the Libs hold the most seats.

You seem to be thinking that a coalition will automatically be one made up of the current parties with current seats. That won't be the case should we go to an election. In that event I hope for my aforementioned Lib-NDP-Green coalition. That will leave the Bloc out in the cold completely and give the voters in Canada a true voice in a left vs right debate. Rather then forming the coalition after the fact I think telling the voters they will form one before the votes are cast will allow people to decide for themselves whether they want to support such a notion.

Harper most certainly doesn't have the opposition by the short and curlies. He had every possible advantage to win a majority last election but didn't and he didn't for a very good reason. He's blustering and bluffing and already backed down over his confidence motion/party funding threat because he knows that a coalition is a real threat.

Hell, if the Libs and NDP are smart they can even win without forming a colaition using the same scenario I detailed whereby each party simply doesn't run candidates in ridings the other might have won had the vote not been split. Under that scenario the Libs form a minority govt and the NDP gains more seats and a Liberal party very willing to accomodate NDP ideas for support.

The other alternative is a dysfunctional pariliment and another election in less then a year making Canada the laughing stock of the democratic world. All of this because Harper won't act like a leader and govern accorrding to his mandate.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:47 pm
 


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Adscam = $100 million
2008 election = $300 million

The Liberals get two more adscams before they've caught back up to Haper's shenanigans.


Give me a break. Are you forgetting the opportunist 2000 and 2004 elections? Going to the polls less than 4 years, right after Day was elected C.A. leader?

Going to the polls months after Harper was elected leader of the CPC?

Hypocrite. You guys on the left are so desperate it's sad really.


Opportunistic elections are one thing. Cynically pulling the funding rug out from under your opponents feet and claiming it's some vital measure (HA!) to save the country's finances is another.

Chretien and Martin played the game by the rules. Harper bends, breaks, and changes the rules whenever he sees fit.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:50 pm
 


westmanguy westmanguy:
hurley_108 hurley_108:

Adscam = $100 million
2008 election = $300 million

The Liberals get two more adscams before they've caught back up to Haper's shenanigans.


Give me a break. Are you forgetting the opportunist 2000 and 2004 elections? Going to the polls less than 4 years, right after Day was elected C.A. leader?

Going to the polls months after Harper was elected leader of the CPC?

Hypocrite. You guys on the left are so desperate it's sad really.


You are the hypocrites. You whined and cried over opportunistic elections. Harper decried them which is exactly what his fixed election date law was about yet he broke it when it suited him.

All your so called dislike of what the Liberals were doing is lost when you support your own party doing what you bitched about.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:50 pm
 


Good for Jack Layton for getting this whole ball rolling. The little bugger punches above his weight sometimes!


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