[roger-roger]

no you dont....

[tritium]

Personally for me, the hotter the better.

I miss those 110F days in Texas, as was hoping that Global Warming would bring some of that to Alberta.

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[travior]

Not all of us down South enjoy the heat. I am sick of it! It was 86F/30C today! This is the middle of October! It is supposed to cool off again this weekend to 66F/18C.

[Pseudonym]

I, on the other hand, enjoy this Southern heat. The fall and spring are just about the right temperature for me!

[llama66]

tritium tritium:

Personally for me, the hotter the better.

I miss those 110F days in Texas, as was hoping that Global Warming would bring some of that to Alberta.

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we get the chinook! walking on ice in the morning, swimming in slush in the afternoon! its fantastic!

[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Nah, I think people know climate change is happening, and I don't think this report would have chnaged much. People right now want a government who will ignore climate change for them. Who wants to shell out money to deal wiht something like that when times are tough?

Later on, when the proverbial chickens come home to roost, Harper will be blamed for it, and we'll all conveniently forget that one of the reasons we voted him in was because we didn't want to hear about climate change. Plausible deniability.

It's not about ignoring climate change. I'm waiting for someone with an actual idea that works. Green shift won't do it. I'd rather see some investment in clean technology that works and can be implemented quickly. Like why don't we put up solar panels on every new home built in Canada? Why are incandescent light bulbs still made? Why aren't we investing in auto fuels that we know are cleaner? Screw the green shaft let's do something that's going to make a difference.

We ARE doing that. People are buying those little wind generators from Canadian Tire for their houses and cotages. People are buying hybrids. Attitudes are certainly changing and loads of people are trying. The growing fringe group do have ideas that will work very well for the CO2 problem. The trouble is they often propose hard and fast caps on industrial production to purposely lower CO2 emmssions at the cost of jobs.

The Green shift was an attempt at compromise, an attempt to encourage people to emit less through financial renumeration. Despite all the partisan hackery heaped on it, it was at least an hinest attempt to make some progress without costing jobs.

You aren't the first person to suggest such things but your suggestion also comes at a large cost as homes become costlier and much harder to maintain. Ever shovel your roof before?

People are certainly looking for that magic item of success but certainly in Canada any solution proposed is vilified by the opposing parties not because its bad but because they are afraid it might work and lose them support.

A minority govt should be a golden opportunity for all parties to find common ground on an important issue and all sharing in the "glory" of developing a solution.

Unfortunately our parties are no different then alot of us. Working togeather and compromise become impossible and thus the problem then becomes not only a technological problem but a political proble.

[faile]

mixedfarmer mixedfarmer:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Upset? No, I just think that small boys like yourself should be playing Halo 3 instead of posting utter shite in a grown-up forum.
Your stuff is just garbage.

if you dont think the environment needs to be addressed then your a child

Then where did that Lizzie May comment about 5 year olds voting for her come from? Sounds like if you're fixated on the environment you might be a child.

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Unfortunately our parties are no different then alot of us. Working togeather and compromise become impossible and thus the problem then becomes not only a technological problem but a political proble.

Derby if you ever come up with a way to convince people who are in power to actually cooperate for the good of the country as opposed to whats good for the party I'll nominate you for PM!

[RUEZ]

DerbyX DerbyX:

We ARE doing that. People are buying those little wind generators from Canadian Tire for their houses and cotages. People are buying hybrids. Attitudes are certainly changing and loads of people are trying. The growing fringe group do have ideas that will work very well for the CO2 problem. The trouble is they often propose hard and fast caps on industrial production to purposely lower CO2 emmssions at the cost of jobs.

The Green shift was an attempt at compromise, an attempt to encourage people to emit less through financial renumeration. Despite all the partisan hackery heaped on it, it was at least an hinest attempt to make some progress without costing jobs.

You aren't the first person to suggest such things but your suggestion also comes at a large cost as homes become costlier and much harder to maintain. Ever shovel your roof before?

People are certainly looking for that magic item of success but certainly in Canada any solution proposed is vilified by the opposing parties not because its bad but because they are afraid it might work and lose them support.

A minority govt should be a golden opportunity for all parties to find common ground on an important issue and all sharing in the "glory" of developing a solution.

Unfortunately our parties are no different then alot of us. Working togeather and compromise become impossible and thus the problem then becomes not only a technological problem but a political proble.

Yes people are changing their attitudes towards the environment in spite of the government. I firmly believe that a government investing in cleaner fuels and perhaps giving tax incentives to switch over will make more of a difference then putting a carbon tax on the vehicles we have now. I live in PG over 50% of the vehicles on the road every day are v8 pickups. That hasn't changed with the carbon tax. However if the government invested heavily into say bio diesel or alcohol we could be burning that instead of just taxing the old diesel still on the road.I don't believe taxing anything ever really led to innovation. AS for putting a couple solar panels on every new house it wouldn't really be that costly. Maybe 5000 per house. I'm not talking about enough to get you off the grid I'm talking about maybe 2 panels and the equipment to tie it into your wiring. If every new house built did that the savings would be enormous. Hell the government could even help with that by giving you a break on property tax for a couple years. Honestly there are so many ways to save the environment without taxing us to death I don't understand why that was Dion's plan.

[DerbyX]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Unfortunately our parties are no different then alot of us. Working togeather and compromise become impossible and thus the problem then becomes not only a technological problem but a political proble.

Derby if you ever come up with a way to convince people who are in power to actually cooperate for the good of the country as opposed to whats good for the party I'll nominate you for PM!

Thats what a minority govt is supposed to do but too often they fight the same partisan crap that we voters do.

recall the Liberals and CPC coming to an agreement on Afghanistan back in June. Both sides should have been lauded for finally working togeather to get the job done but the very partisan crap we engage in is what they do.

How many called the Liberals cut and run cowards?

I firmly believe that we all get the govts we deserve and given the amount of partisan fighing here with not even a thought to compromise is reflected in our govt because they are us.

Back in the last months of Martins reign I thought that compromise between the parties over gun rights and SSM should have had one party telling the other they would support their position if they supported theirs.

Lets face it, all parties failed us since 2006 because they blew alot of money buying favours and just blew another 300 mil and we are still in the same position more or less.

Will they cooperate? Who knows. If Harper tries to strong arm a platform through because the opposition is weak and fails then its his fault. If the opposition simply opposes everything for no other reason then because, then they have failed.

If we are back voting a year from now then they all have failed and I'm voting Rhino.

[2Cdo]

DerbyX DerbyX:

If we are back voting a year from now then they all have failed and I'm voting Rhino.

Aren't they now known as the Neo-Rhino party?

[DerbyX]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

DerbyX DerbyX:

If we are back voting a year from now then they all have failed and I'm voting Rhino.

Aren't they now known as the Neo-Rhino party?

You are correct.

[PluggyRug]

DerbyX DerbyX:

If we are back voting a year from now then they all have failed and I'm voting Rhino.

Thanks, I know I will make a good prime minister.

My first job after election will be reduce the power consumption in parliament.
This will be accomplished by attaching a lamp to all MP's powered by their bodies electrical energy. Every time a lie is told the lamp will light, and the excess energy will be fed to the grid. This measure will provide approximately 10000 Mega Watts.

Seriously, I agree with your post.

[2Cdo]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

DerbyX DerbyX:

If we are back voting a year from now then they all have failed and I'm voting Rhino.

Thanks, I know I will make a good prime minister.

My first job after election will be reduce the power consumption in parliament.
This will be accomplished by attaching a lamp to all MP's powered by their bodies electrical energy. Every time a lie is told the lamp will light, and the excess energy will be fed to the grid. This measure will provide approximately 10000 Mega Watts.

Seriously, I agree with your post.

Basing electrical output on politicians lies would result in 100% free electricity for the entire country!

[DerbyX]

The environmental one or the political one?