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ridenrain ridenrain:

Clearly another proven case of excited delirium.

He's a nurse so think he would know a tad more then you Riden.

[ridenrain]

I'm sorry but I must have missed that.
What exactly was I saying?

[Dayseed]

kenmore kenmore:

Tasers are a license to kill... they should be banned and there should be a public outcry to make this happen.. how long before they use tasers for crowd control and innocent people are killed by them.. enough is enough.. this guy was only 17.. people with heart problems or asthma or neurological problems are high risk as are those on certain medications.. how can the cops know who is at risk by looking at them?
this is abuse of power and its a replacement for a gun.. they have to justify killing someone with a gun but have a defense with a taser? wrong! email you MP I did..

Oh. I didn't know that 17 year olds were allowed to brandish knives and threaten the police. Does your back hurt from bending over to defend this kid?

And when it comes to the police knowing who is and who isn't a threat, an easy-peasy indicator is the fellow armed with the knife or some other weapon. However, if you know of any news stories where a mother pushing her baby-carriage has been tasered, please share. As I've read, only the fighting and/or nutters have been zapped. Crowd control with tasers? They fire prongs with dangling cords...you don't think the police are wielding massive lightning guns or something, do you?

Also, if you had any familiarity with the legal system, especially Ontario, you'd know that the deployment of any force is met with legal scrutiny. I'm sure all of the hippies on here would be happy to know that in Ontario, there's no such thing as a 'free punch'. The police are scrutinized for using a taser, especially the media rushing the news to the public.

Hey, did you ever get back to me on Truscott or did you wimp out?

[EyeBrock]

ziggy ziggy:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Clearly another proven case of excited delirium.

He's a nurse so think he would know a tad more then you Riden.

I'll have what kenmore says, but after your 'shoot them in the kneecap' comment I'm afraid your credibility on weapons issues is pretty dodgy.

You actually said that and you've shot a weapon? Really?

[romanP]

I don't understand the controversy over tasers. Sure, sometimes they kill people, but what do you want? The police have to arm themselves against dangerous people somehow. Tasers are effective, and while they may kill some people, guns are far more likely to kill people.

The Ottawa Citizen today said that 22 people have been killed by tasers since 2002. In six years, 22 people have been killed. I would call that a write-off. More people have died fighting in Afghanistan doing something valuable.

[Scape]

romanP romanP:

I don't understand the controversy over tasers. Sure, sometimes they kill people, but what do you want?

If the situation warrents by all means zap them but not as a 1st resort, simple?

[romanP]

Scape Scape:

romanP romanP:

I don't understand the controversy over tasers. Sure, sometimes they kill people, but what do you want?

If the situation warrents by all means zap them but not as a 1st resort, simple?

It is not that simple, as every situation is different. If a person is being violent and a first-hand threat to the safety of other people, what should the police do? Ask them to stop and wait until someone gets hurt?

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EyeBrock EyeBrock:

ziggy ziggy:

ridenrain ridenrain:

Clearly another proven case of excited delirium.

He's a nurse so think he would know a tad more then you Riden.

I'll have what kenmore says, but after your 'shoot them in the kneecap' comment I'm afraid your credibility on weapons issues is pretty dodgy.

You actually said that and you've shot a weapon? Really?

Tounge in cheek,loosen your ass crack up a bit mate.

But ya,I have rifles and can hit anything as long as I can see it and I dont use a scope.

My favourite is my Stevens Savage auto with gas eject and a long barrell,manufactured in the 60's and I still love my 30-30 winchester.
That was my bear gun when we were allowed to pack them before the libs billion dollar registry boondoggle.

[Public_Domain]

[ridenrain]

Tazers are a tool like any other and cops are folks like any others. When they had to fight and club people, they might go that extra step to talk them out of it, but now that they have a fancy new tool that dosen't leave marks. it's pretty seductive to use it for everything. When the cops came into YVR, squabbling over who gets to taze the guy, you know what the result was going to be.

The number that have died because of tazers, or excited delirium, is still less than the traffic deaths on a long weekend. Police need effective policys and police need to stop investigating police, but it's still better than getting a concussion sith a stick.

[EyeBrock]

Scape Scape:

romanP romanP:

I don't understand the controversy over tasers. Sure, sometimes they kill people, but what do you want?

If the situation warrents by all means zap them but not as a 1st resort, simple?

I agree Scape. Ontario has taser use is well regulated (only front line supervisors carry them) and the level of force is active resistance ( as in fighting the cops) and up.
Just because you refuse to co-operate and as long as use don't actually resist arrest or become assaultive, it is an excessive use of force to taser somebody for just not co-operating, and would be a breach of the Police Services Act, criminal code etc.

I think this province is a leader in police accountability, which is good for the cops and the public. I don't recall a proven case of misuse of a taser by police in Ontario.

[ridenrain]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ontario has taser use is well regulated (only front line supervisors carry them) and the level of force is active resistance ( as in fighting the cops) and up.

Wow. So line police have handguns but only supervisors are trusted with tazers?

[EyeBrock]

ridenrain ridenrain:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Ontario has taser use is well regulated (only front line supervisors carry them) and the level of force is active resistance ( as in fighting the cops) and up.

Wow. So line police have handguns but only supervisors are trusted with tazers?

Pistols are for self defence in a life-or-death situation.
Tasers are for stopping the guy running at you with fists flying. Doing this won’t get you killed, nor should it.

That’s the basics in the use-of-force levels. I can elaborate.

The Ontario Government has decreed the use be limited to front line supervisors.
I agree, all cops should carry them. I just think we need to tighten up on the use and ensure the officers equipped with the taser are sufficiently trained in it’s effects re coke heads. I think anybody zapped should be checked by a doctor as a matter of course.

[Scape]

romanP romanP:

If a person is being violent and a first-hand threat to the safety of other people, what should the police do?

If the police have at least attempted to deescalate the situation and the person is not responding positively then zap away, simple. Just realize that even though the tazer is designed to be non-lethal it still can kill and should be used with respect not a tool of convenience. We should never endorse a shoot 1st ask questions later approach to law enforcement.

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Taser related deaths in Canada
Canwest News Service
Published: Monday, February 18

Amnesty International says 17 people have died in Canada since 2001 after stun-guns were used by police. Besides the death Thursday of Howard Hyde, 45, in Dartmouth, N.S., the case of Claudio Castagnetta, 32, is also being reviewed. Castagnetta died in Quebec on Sept. 20 two days after being hit with a Taser.



Robert Dziekanski, 40, in the Vancouver Airport in October.

Quilem Registre, 39, in Montreal after being stopped by police on suspicion of drunk driving, also in October.



2006

Jason Dean, 28 in Red Deer while running from police in August.



2005

Alesandro Fiacco, 33 in Edmonton, arrested while wandering into traffic in December.

James Foldi, 39, of Beamsville, Ont. while being arrested for breaking and entering in July.

Paul Sheldon Saulnier, 42, while being restrained by police in Digby N.S. in July.

Gurmeet Sandhu, 41, of Surrey B.C., while being restrained during a domestic dispute in June.

Kevin Geldart, 34, in Moncton, N.B. in May during an altercation with police in a bar.



2004

Samuel Truscott, 43, of Kingston, Ont. was tasered by police during arrest. His death was ruled a drug overdose.

Jerry Knight, 29, a semi-pro boxer was tasered by police at a Mississauga motel in July after complaints he had become violent.

Robert Bagnell, 54, while in custody of the Vancouver police in June. He had cocaine in his system.

Peter Lamonday, 33, while being restrained by police in London, Ont. in May.

Roman Andreichikov, 25, high on cocaine and being restrained by Vancouver police also in May.

Perry Ronald, 28, while being restrained by Edmonton police after jumping from a window in March.



2003

Clark Whitehouse, 34, tried to flee the Whitehorse RCMP after being stopped in traffic in September.

Clayton Alvin Willey, 33, of Prince George was also high on cocaine when tasered by police while trespassing in July.

Terry Hanna, 51, was tasered by Burnaby RCMP in April during a break and enter. Cocaine was also involved.