[ShepherdsDog]

Those May.....late September early October things never work

[dino_bobba_renno]

Tricks Tricks:

lily lily:

Tricks Tricks:

lily lily:

That's what was in the article.

$1:

That doesn't require him to move out.

You've never had to live through a major reno, have you?

Yes, I have. We had our entire main floor in my house renovated. Plumbing is really the only one that should cause him to move out. The other don't call for it.

Your own personal experience notwithstanding... some renos certainly require people to move out of their homes for the duration.

Of course. But that place is huge. They could live in one half of the house while the other is being renovated. It's not insane to think that they would stay. Sure he's being a defiant little bastard, but I can see why he wouldn't need to move out. Windows, Air Conditioning, and Electrical definitely do not call for it. Unless they had to redo all duct work in the house, but even then, they don't tear the house apart doing it. Seems like this is a story made from nothing.

I think one of the bigger issues is the roof and that can not be done when anyone is living there.

This is just one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" issues. It doesn't matter what Harper does because the left will criticize him regardless. If he does the reno's and they go massively over budget just like every other project the NCC does then he will be bastardized for being out of touch with average Canadians who are going through some economic hard times.

You know it's funny because I've been hearing lately that some Liberals are complaining about the "special treatment" Brenda Martin received, you know, the same Liberals that just weeks ago who were screaming that the Harper government wasn't doing enough for her. I think this would pretty much be the same kind of thing.

[novachick]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Those May.....late September early October things never work

well damn they argue well enough to be married

[ShepherdsDog]

ms.pot meet mrs. kettle

[RUEZ]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

ms.pot meet mrs. kettle

[novachick]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

ms.pot meet mrs. kettle

Tee hee shaddup Sheppy I'm having fun

[ShepherdsDog]

as I am sure Lily and Tricks are

[dino_bobba_renno]

lily lily:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Tricks Tricks:

lily lily:

Tricks Tricks:

lily lily:

That's what was in the article.

$1:

That doesn't require him to move out.

You've never had to live through a major reno, have you?

Yes, I have. We had our entire main floor in my house renovated. Plumbing is really the only one that should cause him to move out. The other don't call for it.

Your own personal experience notwithstanding... some renos certainly require people to move out of their homes for the duration.

Of course. But that place is huge. They could live in one half of the house while the other is being renovated. It's not insane to think that they would stay. Sure he's being a defiant little bastard, but I can see why he wouldn't need to move out. Windows, Air Conditioning, and Electrical definitely do not call for it. Unless they had to redo all duct work in the house, but even then, they don't tear the house apart doing it. Seems like this is a story made from nothing.

I think one of the bigger issues is the roof and that can not be done when anyone is living there.

This is just one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" issues. It doesn't matter what Harper does because the left will criticize him regardless. If he does the reno's and they go massively over budget just like every other project the NCC does then he will be bastardized for being out of touch with average Canadians who are going through some economic hard times.

You know it's funny because I've been hearing lately that some Liberals are complaining about the "special treatment" Brenda Martin received, you know, the same Liberals that just weeks ago who were screaming that the Harper government wasn't doing enough for her. I think this would pretty much be the same kind of thing.

You know, a person could easily turn that back on you and say that it doesn't matter what Harper does, the right will back him regardless.

Renos are expensive. They go over-budget and go into overtime as a matter of course.

It won't be any cheaper if we wait till the next gov't decides to do it.

Ya you could say that but why is Harper the bad guy here? This isn't a new issue, Bill Gram, Paul Martin, Jean Chetien and many others before him have been saying the same thing. Why did no one take them to task on this and why haven't they been mentioned in this recent discussion? Bill Gram was told the same thing, get out so we can fix the place but he declined. It wasn't a big secrete that the work needed to be done back then so why single out Harper?

[novachick]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

as I am sure Lily and Tricks are

Yeah but it's my turn to pick on someone

[ShepherdsDog]

so he's at fault then for the cost. If things had of been taken care of in their proper time, then this mess could have been avoided.

[dino_bobba_renno]

lily lily:

I'm not singling him out other than he's the current refuser.


If the renos should have been done during Chretien's time, then it would have been a whole lot less expensive, wouldn't it?

I'm not disagreeing with your assertion that the repairs need to be done or that they will cost less now rather I'm responding more to the "Harper is a big __(place derogatory comment here)___ " crowd.

Besides, right now with the concerns being expressed about the economy by many people is it really the right time to be throwing money around doing home reno's? Sure it may cost less now in terms of monetary funds but there will be a pretty hefty cost in terms of voter approval when the project balloons over budget like every other fedral project.

[dino_bobba_renno]

lily lily:

Anyone who has done a reno - or knows someone that has done a reno - knows that it will cost more and take longer than estimated.


Yes, people will gripe, regardless. And other people will gripe when it's eventually done, because we prefer to put politics ahead of "need".

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you that the work should be done and it should be done as soon as possible but I don't think it's going to happen any time soon. This issue is a political land mine. Things like this are better done right after an election. Do the dirty work right off the bat when you win and pray to god the edge has come off it by the time the next election roles around.

There's a reason so many PM's have ignored this issue and it's not because their wives didn't nag them enough to fix the place up.

* I just read my previous post and I noticed I didn't put the word "not" in the first sentence, it's fixed now.

[dino_bobba_renno]

lily lily:

$1:

There's a reason so many PM's have ignored this issue and it's not because their wives didn't nag them enough to fix the place up.

Exactly. It's because they've all been men, and the main reason most men get any reno work done at all is because of the wife's nagging.

Quite obviously we need a woman PM.

Soon.

Ok, so long as you promise not to bring back Kim Campbell.

or elect Elizabeth May

[amabaie]

Good for Harper. This has nothing to do with politics, just that he has no interest in adding that kind of disarray to his life while trying to run a country, and with a minority government at that!

The time to do upgrades is when the people say it's time to change occupants and the house needs to be vacated anyway. So then the Auditor General Contractor can go in and change the light bulbs, move the staircase over three feet and replace the foundation.

[Tricks]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I think one of the bigger issues is the roof and that can not be done when anyone is living there.

Good call on the roof, that would probably do it.

$1:

This is just one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" issues. It doesn't matter what Harper does because the left will criticize him regardless. If he does the reno's and they go massively over budget just like every other project the NCC does then he will be bastardized for being out of touch with average Canadians who are going through some economic hard times.

You know it's funny because I've been hearing lately that some Liberals are complaining about the "special treatment" Brenda Martin received, you know, the same Liberals that just weeks ago who were screaming that the Harper government wasn't doing enough for her. I think this would pretty much be the same kind of thing.

Agreed, but to be fair, if it were the other side of the coin, and liberals were in the same situation, the conservatives, or at least a good chunk of them, would be doing the exact same thing.