[DerbyX]

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It was unlikely we'd win against 2 of the Liberal leader candidates but Sask and BC were too close and proof that the Libs can take nothing for granted.

Predictable the media would tout this as a huge Liberal victory.

Nor Harper.

Its almost as if the polls showing neck and neck support federally were reflected here.

Now 3 out of 4 ridings is a Liberal victory. It was a Harper victory when he won 2 right.

Its exactly what I expected. Harper is gaining no ground against a weakened opponent. Look at that, I was right all along.

hasn't lost any go check the CKA news headlines

I seriously hope you aren't referring to that pathetically biased G&M report.

That would be a laugh. 3 out 4 ridings and loosing only a rural riding. Doesn't exactly scream "go Harper".

Sorry about your luck.

no I was refering to the latest poll...while Dion is trying to throw mud Canadians are telling him to shut the pie hole and get to work...on yer bike.

Lets see, Harper didn't lose much support over Cadman? Thats easy enough to explain. You cons don't care that you are voting from a man willing to bribe a dying man and would vote for anything as long as it wore blue.

I think turnabout is fair play.

[westmanguy]

DerbyX, get your rose-coloured glasses off.

A) The Conservatives didn't have a shot in Toronto regardless because of (i) strong Liberal strongholds and (ii) two major pumped up star candidates. Harquail managed to maintain the same popular vote as the CPC got in 2006 in Willowdale

B) We took Saskatchewan. You guys could have been competitive here, but you appointed Joan Beatty (and circumvented the democratic process), and the loss here was not "Oh, its rural it goes Conservative", its because of a mistake on Dion's leadership. This is not a traditional "Tory Riding", its very aboriginal (not exactly a Tory demographic), and was NDP in the 90s, then independent, then Conservative in 2004, then Liberal in 2006. Its a swing riding. Face it, Dion's mistake with Beatty caused you to lose a riding that should have been competitive for you guys.

C) In Vancouver Quadra, where Joyce Murray wasn't that big of a star candidate (she still was a BC Liberal Cabinet Minister, so still some star power), and even with Ignatieff, Dion, and Justin Trudeau going their to gun out the vote, you took what was once a 15,000 point difference under Steven Owen, to a 150 point difference. Take your rose coloured glasses off, and realize this is a liberal loss (not in the actual seat but a moral loss).

D) A CTV News poll shows 61% of Canadians believe the Cadman affair has little or no impact on their view of Harper and 64% of Canadians say that the NAFTA-gate affair has little or no impact of their view of Harper. And those 30% or so on both issues who said it did, were most likely centre-left Liberals, NDP'ers, and Bloc's. Your mudslinging on this issue isn't working, and Canadians are seeing past it.

e) Latest CTV News poll with the Strategic Counsel (and this isn't a pro-CPC polling firm like Ispos Reid results) showed:

CPC: 38%
Lib: 27%

11 point lead.

Explain that?

Please for the love of God, see past your partisan blinder, and see the light...

[westmanguy]

Here we have an Urban riding in one of the three major cities that "rejected" the Conservative message in 2006, and the riding that had the highest percentage of voter turn out of the four by-elections and the Liberals hang onto a riding they won by nearly 20% and roughly 12,000 votes in 2006 with 0.5% and roughly 150 votes in 2008.

[DerbyX]

The only person who is blind seems to be you guys.

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A) The Conservatives didn't have a shot in Toronto regardless because of (i) strong Liberal strongholds and (ii) two major pumped up star candidates. Harquail managed to maintain the same popular vote as the CPC got in 2006 in Willowdale

Harper needs support from the urban centres. He isn't getting it.

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B) We took Saskatchewan. You guys could have been competitive here, but you appointed Joan Beatty (and circumvented the democratic process), and the loss here was not "Oh, its rural it goes Conservative", its because of a mistake on Dion's leadership. This is not a traditional "Tory Riding", its very aboriginal (not exactly a Tory demographic), and was NDP in the 90s, then independent, then Conservative in 2004, then Liberal in 2006. Its a swing riding. Face it, Dion's mistake with Beatty caused you to lose a riding that should have been competitive for you guys.

It was a mistake of Dions on the appointment but Harper did the same thing out east. The riding was more con then lib and a rural riding to boot where the cons are stronger.

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C) In Vancouver Quadra, where Joyce Murray wasn't that big of a star candidate (she still was a BC Liberal Cabinet Minister, so still some star power), and even with Ignatieff, Dion, and Justin Trudeau going their to gun out the vote, you took what was once a 15,000 point difference under Steven Owen, to a 150 point difference. Take your rose coloured glasses off, and realize this is a liberal loss (not in the actual seat but a moral loss).

No, its a victory. Take off your own glasses and see that anything other then a full CPC majority is going to be a loss.

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D) A CTV News poll shows 61% of Canadians believe the Cadman affair has little or no impact on their view of Harper and 64% of Canadians say that the NAFTA-gate affair has little or no impact of their view of Harper. And those 30% or so on both issues who said it did, were most likely centre-left Liberals, NDP'ers, and Bloc's. Your mudslinging on this issue isn't working, and Canadians are seeing past it.

After almost a decade of false scandals and lies being thrown at the Liberals by you guys, I'm not surprised the public is exhausted.

Of course my earlier point about you guys not caring a whit about the illegal and immoral actions of your leader just seem all that much stronger.

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e) Latest CTV News poll with the Strategic Counsel (and this isn't a pro-CPC polling firm like Ispos Reid results) showed:

CPC: 38%
Lib: 27%

11 point lead.

Sure. Unless you actually read the report which reads like a CPC press release.

All the other polls shown different results as well you know. In addition, any poll that doesn't show a strong CPC lead is dismissed as propaganda by you guys.

Nothing we have seen indicates any real gains by Harper. You will have to be satisfied with a minority and hope like hell that the Liberals/NDPers/Greens don't form a coalition of sorts or else even that won't work.

Canada will not give Harper a majority.

[grainfedprairieboy]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Harper needs support from the urban centres. He isn't getting it.

You have expressed many times that Alberta deserves its mistreatment by the Liberal party as it consistently refuses to elect Liberal candidates. Should Harper punish Toronto extending this ideology to the urban centers or do you believe the Conservatives should not punish any region simply for not endorsing his government?

[sasquatch2]

Well! Have mercy on Derby....his little world is disintegrating....

He is fully aware that these bi-elections would result in no gains but only potential losses.

For the rest, they had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

[dino_bobba_renno]

DerbyX DerbyX:

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B) We took Saskatchewan. You guys could have been competitive here, but you appointed Joan Beatty (and circumvented the democratic process), and the loss here was not "Oh, its rural it goes Conservative", its because of a mistake on Dion's leadership. This is not a traditional "Tory Riding", its very aboriginal (not exactly a Tory demographic), and was NDP in the 90s, then independent, then Conservative in 2004, then Liberal in 2006. Its a swing riding. Face it, Dion's mistake with Beatty caused you to lose a riding that should have been competitive for you guys.

It was a mistake of Dions on the appointment but Harper did the same thing out east. The riding was more con then lib and a rural riding to boot where the cons are stronger.

I don't think it was a mistake on Dion's part to run Beatty in instead of Ochard. In my opinion Orchard is a bit of wild card and hardly a team player as was proven by the fact he came out so publicly against the decission to have Beatty run. Some times your better off to take the loss up front then to have a guy like Orchard do something foolish like speaking out against his own party in a critical time frame such as an election. Dion will be better off with out him even if it means losing a seat.

[Benoit]

The only riding lost by the Liberal party is the least representative riding.

[grainfedprairieboy]

DerbyX DerbyX:

No, its a victory. Take off your own glasses and see that anything other then a full CPC majority is going to be a loss.

You are certainly right here. But I believe that you must admit that Liberal party brass were not concerned with Toronto being as confident as Harper would be over a rural Alberta seat.

Aside from the natural disappoint of a loss in Churchill, I doubt Liberal execs are too concerned given this is a Western and largely rural riding and they are likely dismissing this not as a rejection of Liberal policies or even Dion, but as punishment for their heavy heavy handedness.

What must be scarring the shit out of the Liberals and emboldening the Conservatives is Vancouver. This is a Liberal safe seat headed by a hand picked star candidate that came very close to losing to not only a Conservative, but an unknown one at that.

On a positive note for the Liberals, none of the ridings saw a significant protest vote going to the NDP so I doubt they need to be overly concerned with bleeding off any more support from the core Liberal membership in a future election.

[Benoit]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Aside from the natural disappoint of a loss in Churchill, I doubt Liberal execs are too concerned given this is a Western and largely rural riding and they are likely dismissing this not as a rejection of Liberal policies or even Dion, but as punishment for their heavy heavy handedness.

"Rural" is not the most appropriate word, "indigenous" is.

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

It was unlikely we'd win against 2 of the Liberal leader candidates but Sask and BC were too close and proof that the Libs can take nothing for granted.

Predictable the media would tout this as a huge Liberal victory.

Nor Harper.

Its almost as if the polls showing neck and neck support federally were reflected here.

Now 3 out of 4 ridings is a Liberal victory. It was a Harper victory when he won 2 right.

Its exactly what I expected. Harper is gaining no ground against a weakened opponent. Look at that, I was right all along.

Come on derby, this is pyrrhic victory at best.
The 2 Toronto ridings were no brainers as Lib seats.

The Vancouver riding win by 151 votes should worry the Libs and the Tories got a large majority in a former NDP/Lib riding by a solid majority in the Sask riding.

If I was old Steffy I'd be buying a ballistic plate for his body armour with Bobby-kins being likely to get a seat on the front bench. Put it in the back Steffy, there appears to be some knife sharpening going on.

As riden pointed out, the recent mudslinging (Cadman et al) does not seem to resonated with the public in the same way as it has in the media and the House. I actually did not expect such a close race in Vancouver. 151 votes....is that recount territory?

Either way, the Libs have little to crow about here and the Tories grabbed an unexpected seat that was a Liberal win in the last election and were very close to taking a supposed safe seat in Vancouver.
I would say that was ground gained!

But I do commend you're loyalty!

[Benoit]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The Vancouver riding win by 151 votes should worry the Libs and the Tories got a large majority in a former NDP/Lib riding by a solid majority in the Sask riding.

If I was old Steffy I'd be buying a ballistic plate for his body armour with Bobby-kins being likely to get a seat on the front bench. Put it in the back Steffy, there appears to be some knife sharpening going on.

As riden pointed out, the recent mudslinging (Cadman et al) does not seem to resonated with the public in the same way as it has in the media and the House. I actually did not expect such a close race in Vancouver. 151 votes....is that recount territory?

The Liberals don't have to worry about losing Vancouver Quadra, voter turnout was only: 28,165 of 83,121 registered electors (33.9%).

[grainfedprairieboy]

Benoit Benoit:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Aside from the natural disappoint of a loss in Churchill, I doubt Liberal execs are too concerned given this is a Western and largely rural riding and they are likely dismissing this not as a rejection of Liberal policies or even Dion, but as punishment for their heavy heavy handedness.

"Rural" is not the most appropriate word, "indigenous" is.

I doubt this riding has half of the Indians that live in say Edmonton Beverly Clareview.

And who cares anyway since all the candidates running were Indian and all were quite capable.

Aside from the anti democratic Liberal antics, this is kinda like some BC ridings where an activist group block votes a Sikh into each party to ensure a representative in government.

[Benoit]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Benoit Benoit:

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

Aside from the natural disappoint of a loss in Churchill, I doubt Liberal execs are too concerned given this is a Western and largely rural riding and they are likely dismissing this not as a rejection of Liberal policies or even Dion, but as punishment for their heavy heavy handedness.

"Rural" is not the most appropriate word, "indigenous" is.

Aside from the anti democratic Liberal antics, this is kinda like some BC ridings where an activist group block votes a Sikh into each party to ensure a representative in government.

A community conflict among Sikhs neo-Canadians has not much similarity with a community conflict among Natives (ante-Canadians).

[grainfedprairieboy]

Benoit Benoit:

A community conflict among Sikhs neo-Canadians has not much similarity with a community conflict among Natives (ante-Canadians).

What are you talking about?

There is no conflict in either community. The only difference is that the Sikh activists deliberately take over the constituencies where as the Indians were there by chance.