[Blue_Nose]

WDHIII WDHIII:

Well if they could come up with something safe then HELL YEAH - all kids should get a chance to participate and she shouldnt be denied because of her religion

especially when that participation may encourage her to break free from a repressive religion.

[Brenda]

[hwacker]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Brenda Brenda:

A ponytail or a hijab is apples and oranges imho. An hijab is worn on the head and around your neck, and don't forget the pin to hold it together with...

Everyone is speculating that the hijab is a danger, but long hair presents the same potontial dangers.

A hijab can be worn to come off easily if grabbed, and fastened with something other than a pin - not so much the case with long hair.

And could you imagine the racial shitstorm if that happened. Conform like the rest of Canada or stay in your house like a hermit.

If you need a head scarf, turban or burka to validate your religious beliefs you might be living in the 8th century.

[Blue_Nose]

"culturally sensitive"

Seriously, though, its better than hwacker's solution. Keeping them isolated is exactly what we don't want to do.

[Brenda]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Brenda Brenda:

A ponytail or a hijab is apples and oranges imho. An hijab is worn on the head and around your neck, and don't forget the pin to hold it together with...

Everyone is speculating that the hijab is a danger, but long hair presents the same potontial dangers.

A hijab can be worn to come off easily if grabbed, and fastened with something other than a pin - not so much the case with long hair.

If it is to come off easily, than what is the use exactly? A hijab is worn to prevent other men to see the hair. So it is not supposed to come off in a place where other men then their husbands are.

[hwacker]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

"culturally sensitive"

Seriously, though, its better than hwacker's solution. Keeping them isolated is exactly what we don't want to do.

Seriously, you’re all in favor of this? Next will be segregated swimming pools, beaches no men in the gym cuz the head scarf might come off. Enough is enough.

Fuckem.

[hwacker]

lily lily:

What does wrestling have to do with this?

Do you know anything about judo ?

[kaetz]

lily lily:

WDHIII WDHIII:

lily lily:

Why not make mouthguards standard in sports then? Getting your teeth knocked out and/or having TMJ problems is a far more serious risk than having a headscarf cover your eyes.

Bottom line though - they had no business disqualifying this girl. They claimed it was a rule - it isn't. If they want to make it a rule, there are proper channels to do so. Maybe they have a case, maybe they don't. But they can't just randomly apply non-existant rules and not expect to receive some flak for it.

If you dont thing that having a headscarf cover your eyes then I guess youve never been "jacketed" during a fight. Mouthguards ARE standard in wrestling and Im pretty sure in almost every contact sport at the highschool/amateur level

Yes, they probably ARE standard - because of the very real risk. So far, you're basing your argument against headscarves on a potential risk - that may or may not be legit.

As for being "jacketed" - isn't there a rule against that?

$1:

No the bottom line is that YOU and this girls parents are putting her safety after everything else because somebody was mistaken and said it was a rule... if thats your only argument its pretty weak.

Once again - they cited a rule that doesn't exist. That isn't a weak argument on my part.

$1:

As for the safety issue Id be more inclined to take their word over yours unless youd like to reveal your extensive wrestling background at this time

What does wrestling have to do with this?

it is potential not because many girls went to compete wearing head scarves and there was no harm from those scarves, but because no muslim girls religious to that extent ever did that at all, and THIS was for a reason, ever come to think about it?

[Blue_Nose]

hwacker hwacker:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

"culturally sensitive"

Seriously, though, its better than hwacker's solution. Keeping them isolated is exactly what we don't want to do.

Seriously, you’re all in favor of this? Next will be segregated swimming pools, beaches no men in the gym cuz the head scarf might come off. Enough is enough.

Fuckem.

I see it as a matter of promoting personal freedom - her wearing a headscarf isnt a big deal because it doesn't have to affect anyone else. If they had to significantly change the way in which judo was practiced, I'd be against it.

I wouldn't agree with segregated pools or gyms, either... but we already have women-only gyms.

[Canadarc]

$1:

3. Judo uniform (judogi)

The contestants shall wear a Judogi complying with the following conditions:
a)
Strongly made of cotton or similar material (see guideline) , in good condition (without rent or tear). The material must not be so thick or hard or slippery as to prevent the opponent from taking a grip.

b) Blue for the first contestant and white or off-white for the second contestant. (See Appendix).
c) Acceptable markings:
1) National Olympic abbreviation (on back of jacket). Size of the letters 11 cm.
2) National Emblem (on left breast of jacket). Maximum size 100cm2.
3) Manufacturer's trade mark (on bottom-front of jacket, on bottom front of left leg of the trousers and on one end of the belt). Maximum size 20 cm2.
It is permitted to place the manufacturer's trade mark on one of the sleeves but inside the 25cm x 5cm area instead of at the bottom front of the jacket. The IJF Official suppliers are allowed to place the IJF Logo above their trade mark (in direct contact).
4) Shoulder markings (from collar - across shoulder down the arm - both sides of jacket). Maximum length 25cm and maximum width 5cm. (The same advertising or national colours on both sides)
5) Advertising on the sleeves, 10 cm x 10 cm on each sleeve (different advertising allowed). These 100 cm² have to be fixed just below and in contact with the stripes of 25 cm x 5 cm.
6) Indication of the placing (1st, 2nd, 3rd) at the Olympic Games or World Championships, in an area of 6cm x 10cm at the bottom front left side of the jacket.

7)
The contestant's name may be worn on the belt, lower front of the jacket and upper front of the trousers up to a maximum of 3 cm x 10 cm. Also the contestant's name or abbreviation may be placed (printed or embroidered), on the back of the jacket above the National Olympic abbreviation, but in no case in a position to prevent an opponent from grasping the back of the jacket. The letters can be up to a maximum of 7cm high and the length of the name can be up to a maximum of 30cm long. This 7cm x 30cm rectangular area must be located 3cm below the collar of the jacket and the back identification must be fixed at 4cm below this area.
Note: For IJF Events and the Olympic Games, the names are indicated on the 30 cm x 40 cm Bibs.
8 ) The contestants must bring judogi without any back identification at the sewing desk.

d)
The jacket shall be long enough to cover the thighs and shall at a minimum reach to the fists when the arms are fully extended downwards at the sides of the body. The body of the jacket shall be worn with the left side crossed over the right and shall be wide enough to have a minimum overlap of 20cm at the level of the bottom of the rib-cage. The sleeves of the jacket must reach to the wrist joint at the maximum and 5cm above the wrist joint at the minimum. A space of 10 to 15cm shall exist between the sleeve and the arm (bandages included), along the entire length of the sleeve.
The lapel and collar must be a maximum of 1cm in thickness and 5cm in width. Stitches on the lapel must be parallel and are recommended to have around 5 lines of stitches which are equally spaced.

e)
The trousers, free of any markings except for c3 and c7, shall be long enough to cover the legs and shall at the maximum reach the ankle joint and at the minimum 5cm above the ankle joint. A space of 10 to 15cm shall exist between the trouser leg and the leg (bandages included) along the entire length of the trouser leg.

f)
A strong belt, 4 to 5cm wide, whose colour corresponds to the grade, shall be worn over the jacket going twice around it at waist, and tied with a square knot with the first loops inside the knot, tight enough to prevent the jacket from being too loose and long enough to leave 20 to 30cm protruding from each side of the knot when tied.

g) Female contestants shall wear under the jacket either:

i)
a plain white or off-white T-shirt, with short sleeves, rather strong, long enough to be worn inside the trousers, or:

ii)
a plain white or off-white leotard with short sleeves.

If the Judogi of a contestant does not comply with this article, the Referee must order the contestant to change in the shortest possible time, into a Judogi which does comply with the article.

The contestant’s spare Judogi should be brought by the coach to his chair at the edge of the competition area.

To ensure that the sleeves of the contestant's jacket are the required length, the Referee shall direct the contestant to raise both arms, fully extended forward at shoulder level, when making the control.
b)
The official colour standards for Judogi blue are between pantone numbers n°18-4051 and n°18-4039 on the TP pantone scale and between n°285 or n° 286 on the print pantone scale.

Judogi size:

Judogi is controlled twice: the first is at sewing the back identification 、 and the second is before each contest.

Organizers of the tournament must prepare reserve judogis at Olympics, WC, JRWC, and Team WC .

* Guideline for judogi manufactures
a)

Materials of jacket are recommended using more than 70% cotton, and weight of the materials are recommended to be less than 1 kg/ ㎡ .
b)

A cuff on a sleeve must be no more than 3 cm wide without protuberances.
c)

Width of seam on the back must be no more than 3 cm.
d)

A cuff on a trouser leg must be no more than 3 cm wide without protuberances.
e) Chest, shoulder, and armpit pad must be of the same material as judogi, and only one layer allowed for those parts as reinforcement.

International Judo Federation

Where in the rules does it say that a jihab is allowed? If it's not in there it's no part of judo uniform so it's not allowed. Plain, straight and easy!

[Canadarc]

lily lily:

$1:

Where in the rules does it say that a jihab is allowed? If it's not in there it's no part of judo uniform so it's not allowed. Plain, straight and easy!

THere's no rule stating they can't be worn.

There's nothing about hair either - do they have to have their hair tied back or can they compete with it long?

You are not reading well, are you.

The rules says what can be worn and nothing else. Is it that hard to understand?

[TattoodGirl]

I have been to so many tourney's...too numerous to count....I have seen participants disqualified for clothing that is not part of the uniform...that includes t-shirts...martial arts has uniform code, its part of the discipline. If hand wraps arent wrapped a specific way, then there is a disqualification....if the hijab wasnt around the neck and could fit under head gear, i dont think it would be a problem.

Should see what happens when your belt is tied the proper way.

[Canadarc]

lily lily:

Canadarc Canadarc:

lily lily:

$1:

Where in the rules does it say that a jihab is allowed? If it's not in there it's no part of judo uniform so it's not allowed. Plain, straight and easy!

THere's no rule stating they can't be worn.

There's nothing about hair either - do they have to have their hair tied back or can they compete with it long?

You are not reading well, are you.

The rules says what can be worn and nothing else. Is it that hard to understand?

Then there's nothing that says they can't compete with waist length hair.

And since when is hair a part of the uniform? Why always try to respond if there has nothing left to respond to?

[Canadarc]

lily lily:

Canadarc Canadarc:

lily lily:

Canadarc Canadarc:

lily lily:

$1:

Where in the rules does it say that a jihab is allowed? If it's not in there it's no part of judo uniform so it's not allowed. Plain, straight and easy!

THere's no rule stating they can't be worn.

There's nothing about hair either - do they have to have their hair tied back or can they compete with it long?

You are not reading well, are you.

The rules says what can be worn and nothing else. Is it that hard to understand?

Then there's nothing that says they can't compete with waist length hair.

And since when is hair a part of the uniform? Why always try to respond if there has nothing left to respond to?

So they CAN compete with long hair?

I don't know, check the rules. What has long hair to do with the uniform?

[hwacker]

do one of these

http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animatio ... oinage.htm

and grab the hijab while grabbing the gi. You want to talk about a disadvantage.