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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:16 pm
 


I recall many situations of Rurbanites dogs running at large.

One couple left their dogs loose. They thought their goldies stayed home because when they returned at night they were there waiting. Another neighbour saw them killing his geese. He complained to the township, which had a programme financed by dog-tag fees for compensating for dog damage. The township dude showed, said I don't see any dogs and left. The neighbour quietly put a $100 bounty on the goldies. I dropped them both, with my .222, right in his yard. Township guy showed up paid for the dead birds----threw the bodies ( dogs and geese) in his pickup and went to see Mr. and Mrs. Slick.

Another rurbanite, a dentist had a poodle, running at large chasing cattle. DENY DENY DENY. Then a conservation officer showed up with his dead poodle---shot while chasing deer.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:30 pm
 


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The point here is that possibly two family pets were possibly unneccesarily killed (we don't know because no one seems to want to tell the family),

The police have the facts and have determined he was within the law.


just because he was within the existing 1920s law doesn't mean he needed to kill the dogs that's my point lily.
Your point sucks.

What has changed since 1920 that justifies changing this law?????


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I recall many situations of Rurbanites dogs running at large.

One couple left their dogs loose. They thought their goldies stayed home because when they returned at night they were there waiting. Another neighbour saw them killing his geese. He complained to the township, which had a programme financed by dog-tag fees for compensating for dog damage. The township dude showed, said I don't see any dogs and left. The neighbour quietly put a $100 bounty on the goldies. I dropped them both, with my .222, right in his yard. Township guy showed up paid for the dead birds----threw the bodies ( dogs and geese) in his pickup and went to see Mr. and Mrs. Slick.


I have to think that this ridiculous anecdote is bullshit, coming from you.

But if not, you shot 2 family pets for $100? What's next, blowjobs in the Denny's bathroom?


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Your point sucks.

What has changed since 1920 that justifies changing this law?????


the world's changed you dolt, 90 years ago a farmer could've blown away someone walking across his property and probably gotten away with it, 90 years ago folks let their dogs run loose all the time, 90 years ago there wasn't animal control


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Frist off i have had dogs my entire life.......with that said the farmer has as much right to protect his animals as i do to have mine......end of story.


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A prize bull can be valued anywhere from $40,000 to $500,000 and when some dog (even a friendly dog) chases that bull and causes it to break a leg then that animal will be put down at a significant loss to the rancher.


I guess they can thank their lucky stars they are domestic animals. Otherwise, nature would have taken care of them bulls a long time ago, not being able to run away without breaking a leg and all.

Not saying you're wrong or anything. You'd just figure you might protect a $500,000 asset with an impenetrable fence, just in case you aren't around with your shotgun.


Ok Neo, I’ll put my bull in a kennel like you say , would you then come out and jack off the bull and impregnate the cows for me. Or we could just do it the easy way and let the bull out with the cows and keep shooting stupid people’s best friends.
And you really don’t know how an animal in a pasture can break their legs do you. Man we can always tell a city slicker but we can’t tell them much.


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Dairy Farmer yourself Alta?

It always seems to get ugly when someone makes it personal :roll:


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The shooting deaths of an Uxbridge family's two dogs by a farmer exemplify the harsh facts of rural life, an animal welfare official says.

Under provincial law, a farmer has the right to kill a dog that's attacking his livestock or even just straying on property where his animals are kept, the chief inspector with the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said yesterday.

"I sympathize with the owner," Hugh Coghill said. "I'd be devastated if it happened to my dogs. But I've seen what two dogs will do to a flock of sheep overnight. It's horrifically graphic."

Two golden retrievers belonging to the Jenkins family were shot and killed after they got away on an outing. Police said the farmer committed no wrongdoing in relation to his actions or firearms.

The dogs were in his livestock's feeding area, putting the animals in a "panic state," said Insp. Bruce Townley of Durham Region police. He wouldn't identify the farmer or type of animals.

The intention of the decades-old Livestock, Poultry and Honeybee Protection Act is to protect livestock from harm by stray dogs, Coghill said. "They don't even have to be in the act of attacking. A dog can actually worry cattle, sheep or poultry to death."

But urban-minded pet owners who are "far removed from our agricultural roots" are unaware of the risks associated with letting their dogs wander off, he said.

If someone's dog chases a cow into a fence and it breaks its neck, the dog owner could be sued for the loss, he said, noting a prize animal can be worth as much as $250,000.

"If you have a dog, make sure your homeowners' insurance company knows and that you're covered."

Helen Jenkins, still distraught over the loss of pets Casey, 4, and Sonny, 1 1/2, conceded the farmer was "within his rights" but wishes he had checked their tags and phoned animal control instead.

Her pets' deaths won't be in vain if they spotlight the livestock act "for all these people moving (to the country) from the city who aren't aware of it," she said.

"We moved out here in 1999 and we have loved it with every ounce of our being. But now I wonder, would I get another family pet, living in fear it could get shot?"

Jenkins said the family has had many supportive calls and emails from across Canada and even the U.K. They've also heard from farmers defending their position.

She and her spouse are consulting a lawyer to see what they can do to change the act's wording so people will think about other options to killing a nuisance dog.

The man who shot their pets is likely a neighbour, she said. "I've probably said hello to him in the past three or four days and don't even know it."


What chance would you take if it was your children? What chance would the victims have taken had it been a friendly old bear just looking for some discarde sandwiches in their camp site.

The livestock don't know how friendly the dogs were.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:34 am
 


Brenda Brenda:
Dairy Farmer yourself Alta?

It always seems to get ugly when someone makes it personal :roll:


I bet your another one that thinks choclate milk comes from brown cows :lol:

And nope not a Dairy farmer,

Reading the comments of people that haven't got a clue what their talking about has changed my mind tho. Maybe the farmer shouldn't of shot those dogs, after all those 2 GT's were probably just coming over to the farmers place to shoot hoops with the farmers chickens.


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:lol: It doesn't??? ;-)

Nahhhh, that is why I explained what it is like in Holland, which is the only way I know how to farm, and have pets. That is different from the Canadian way. I know that now, after doing some "research" :lol:

First and foremost, a petowner should keep his pets indoors when they're not home, and within eyesight when they are walking them. If they had done that, this wouldn't have happened. Pets are the owners responsibility, but I can understand the owners, who say they'd rather had the farmer read the tag before shooting. But maybe this wasn't the first time, and was the farmer sick and tired of those dogs harrassing his animals for the so maniest time.

What changed my mind a bit towards the farmer, was the last post of Derby, where the dogowner said "she may have greeted the farmer but she don't know.." WTF! Know your neighbours, especially when you have lived there for 8 years!


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lily lily:
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What changed my mind a bit towards the farmer, was the last post of Derby, where the dogowner said "she may have greeted the farmer but she don't know.." WTF! Know your neighbours, especially when you have lived there for 8 years!

She doesn't know which of her neighbours is the farmer that shot her dogs, so she may have said hi to him without knowing it was him.


That is what I mean. If they did know, the farmer probably would have told these dogs were harrassing his animals, because he would have known they were theirs. But if nobody knows eachother, he might as well have found out these were their dogs when he read the tags after he shot them.


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lily lily:
It's no different than having a pet in the city. I have to keep my dog on a leash or in a fenced yard. If I don't, he could get attacked by coyotes, other dogs (or a large bird, in the case of my own dog!) or hit by a car.


yeah but you'd hope that if the driver could safely slow down and let your dog walk across a road they would, rather than driving over it just because they're within the law to do so


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DerbyX DerbyX:
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The shooting deaths of an Uxbridge family's two dogs by a farmer exemplify the harsh facts of rural life, an animal welfare official says.

Under provincial law, a farmer has the right to kill a dog that's attacking his livestock or even just straying on property where his animals are kept, the chief inspector with the Ontario Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals said yesterday.

"I sympathize with the owner," Hugh Coghill said. "I'd be devastated if it happened to my dogs. But I've seen what two dogs will do to a flock of sheep overnight. It's horrifically graphic."

Two golden retrievers belonging to the Jenkins family were shot and killed after they got away on an outing. Police said the farmer committed no wrongdoing in relation to his actions or firearms.

The dogs were in his livestock's feeding area, putting the animals in a "panic state," said Insp. Bruce Townley of Durham Region police. He wouldn't identify the farmer or type of animals.

The intention of the decades-old Livestock, Poultry and Honeybee Protection Act is to protect livestock from harm by stray dogs, Coghill said. "They don't even have to be in the act of attacking. A dog can actually worry cattle, sheep or poultry to death."

But urban-minded pet owners who are "far removed from our agricultural roots" are unaware of the risks associated with letting their dogs wander off, he said.

If someone's dog chases a cow into a fence and it breaks its neck, the dog owner could be sued for the loss, he said, noting a prize animal can be worth as much as $250,000.

"If you have a dog, make sure your homeowners' insurance company knows and that you're covered."

Helen Jenkins, still distraught over the loss of pets Casey, 4, and Sonny, 1 1/2, conceded the farmer was "within his rights" but wishes he had checked their tags and phoned animal control instead.

Her pets' deaths won't be in vain if they spotlight the livestock act "for all these people moving (to the country) from the city who aren't aware of it," she said.

"We moved out here in 1999 and we have loved it with every ounce of our being. But now I wonder, would I get another family pet, living in fear it could get shot?"

Jenkins said the family has had many supportive calls and emails from across Canada and even the U.K. They've also heard from farmers defending their position.

She and her spouse are consulting a lawyer to see what they can do to change the act's wording so people will think about other options to killing a nuisance dog.

The man who shot their pets is likely a neighbour, she said. "I've probably said hello to him in the past three or four days and don't even know it."


What chance would you take if it was your children? What chance would the victims have taken had it been a friendly old bear just looking for some discarde sandwiches in their camp site.

The livestock don't know how friendly the dogs were.


Good post all the way around, Derby. R=UP


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:27 am
 


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As I've said I want the law defined not revoked even the family have said the same it has far too much leeway but lets be absolutely honest here Bart in any situation where someone uses a firearm in protection of their property its not difficult to see which side of the issue you're going to be on is it.


This isn't about firearms. Had the rancher used a crossbow or a hunting knife or a rock to protect his cattle we'd still be having this same discussion.

This is about a rancher protecting his herd and the mere presence of the dogs is sufficient to spook the cattle and according to Derby's story the dogs weren't in a pasture, but in an enclosed feeding pen where the cattle would definitely feel threatened and cornered by the presence of two dogs. Panicked cattle are something you want calmed down and NOW, not after ten minutes of trying to chase down some stupid dog so you can read it's tags. :roll:

The rancher was totally justified in his actions. Period.


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I think we even agree on this one, Lily :?


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