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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:57 am
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Nope, most of these latest remake films failed because after decades of "the casting couch" mentality and failing to treat women the same as men when it came to age, roles and pay they've been called out and are now trying to save their hairy fat supposedly liberal white asses by sacrificing popular franchises and movies on the alter of political correctness. For ghostbusters and oceans 8, I would agree. Nothing else you mentioned matches that. $1: If you think about it, all movies like this do is show that the Hollywood elite have become so fearful of the social justice movements that they are quite happy to have women play some recycled male part that is almost always destined to fail rather than give them their own platform which would require a decent script, good direction and commitment all things that appear to be being saved for the big blockbuster movies wich always seem to have a male lead unless of course it's star is named Merrill Streep. Can you name any other movies that the gender swap has happened? I can't. So you mentioned 5 movies made in the last 25 years. Yeah this sure is a problem. $1: Shit writing is all over Hollywood these days and it hasn't stopped people like Michael Bey from making huge hits. But since you claim that's it's the writing how about you show me your list of movies where women have replaced the men who previously played the lead and then have gone on to enjoy huge success in the role? Well, as I said, I can only think of the 5 you listed, 2 of which are valid, 3 of which aren't because it's not why they failed. Got anymore you can list? You're acting like this is a crazy prevalent thing when it's happened less than 10 times in 25 years. Lets pump the brakes on the freak out shall we?
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:48 am
Tricks Tricks: Can you name any other movies that the gender swap has happened? I can't. So you mentioned 5 movies made in the last 25 years. Yeah this sure is a problem. Let me try. Luke Skywalker = Rey. I remember Captain Marvel as a guy. The Will Smith character from MIB became a woman character. There's already been a female villain Terminator but now the good Terminator is either a girl or some sort of tranny, or something. Watch for this weekend's San Diego comic con. There's a rumour they'll be announcing an Ironheart movie. She's the new black girl Ironman. In TV they womanified Doctor Who. There's always been a Batgirl but how TV is doing this new Batgirl character tells a tale. She's this lesbian distant relative of Bruce Wayne who has to come to Gotham to take over the Bat character because Batman weenied out. Not man enough, I guess. I'm not into the comics so much anymore but I hear they either turned Thor female or are going to.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:57 am
I hear there's a Black Widow movie on the way. I like that. She's an original and pretty cool.
My favorite superhero movie from last year was Alita so I'm confident it isn't female characters that are the irritation for myself. It's the need to cast the heroes I grew up with down the memory hole and recreate my culture in the deified image of the new wokeness.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:01 am
Tricks Tricks: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: Nope, most of these latest remake films failed because after decades of "the casting couch" mentality and failing to treat women the same as men when it came to age, roles and pay they've been called out and are now trying to save their hairy fat supposedly liberal white asses by sacrificing popular franchises and movies on the alter of political correctness. For ghostbusters and oceans 8, I would agree. Nothing else you mentioned matches that. $1: If you think about it, all movies like this do is show that the Hollywood elite have become so fearful of the social justice movements that they are quite happy to have women play some recycled male part that is almost always destined to fail rather than give them their own platform which would require a decent script, good direction and commitment all things that appear to be being saved for the big blockbuster movies wich always seem to have a male lead unless of course it's star is named Merrill Streep. Can you name any other movies that the gender swap has happened? I can't. So you mentioned 5 movies made in the last 25 years. Yeah this sure is a problem. $1: Shit writing is all over Hollywood these days and it hasn't stopped people like Michael Bey from making huge hits. But since you claim that's it's the writing how about you show me your list of movies where women have replaced the men who previously played the lead and then have gone on to enjoy huge success in the role? Well, as I said, I can only think of the 5 you listed, 2 of which are valid, 3 of which aren't because it's not why they failed. Got anymore you can list? You're acting like this is a crazy prevalent thing when it's happened less than 10 times in 25 years. Lets pump the brakes on the freak out shall we? Like you say, it may have only been 10 times in the last quarter century but, it's becoming more and more prevalent in the last 5 years which is why it''s become so bothersome. To name a few here's some remakes with women as the lead that are upcoming. Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, Dr. Who, High Fidelity, Splash. https://www.buzz.ie/movies-tv/come-girl ... oon-282901If Hollywood can't be bothered to take the time and effort to create NEW movies or franchises as vehicles for women they have absolutely zero right to claim the equality high ground and try and act a moral compass for the rest of society. But now a question for you. If it was okay for the free world to criticize George Lazenby and Daniel Craig as James Bond why isn't it okay to do the same to this woman or, do we have to meekly accept it because she ticks all the PC boxes?
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:10 am
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: But now a question for you. If it was okay for the free world to criticize George Lazenby and Daniel Craig as James Bond why isn't it okay to do the same to this woman or, do we have to meekly accept it because she ticks all the PC boxes? They were criticized because they were unknowns; that they didn't have the chops to play "James Bond". (I'm still not sure about Barry Nelson) The criticisms of her in this thread so far have all been because she wasn't good looking, or black. Little about her ability to portray a Double O. Very enlightened. We should be able to judge a person based on their abilities, not looks or gender. It is 2015, after all.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:14 am
llama66 llama66: If they wanted to mix it up, I was hoping for Idris Elba Agreed, he'd probably be a kick ass Bond, but he apparently turned it down because of its impact on his career. https://www.esquire.com/uk/latest-news/ ... 7-rumours/
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:16 am
Tricks Tricks: bootlegga bootlegga: Who is Lashana Lynch?
If you want to change things up for 007, at least use an A-lister, not some virtual unknown. You mean like Connery? Who was virtually unknown before Bond? Also, even Daniel Craig was protested when he was selected, because he had blonde hair.Get over it people. Connery may have been a virtual unknown, but then again, so was James Bond. He starred in the first movie, not landing a major role in a series with a four decade long history. Frankly, I don't give a shit that they picked a female POC, my comment was based on the fact that Lynch's film history is next to nothing. She's been in a handful of movies and TV shows, and I don't think any were as the protagonist (just supporting characters). Roger Moore, Timothy Dalton, and Pierce Brosnan all had fairly extensive careers before they landed roles in the Bond franchise. Even Daniel Craig had been acting for over a decade and been big roles in a few blockbusters (Tomb Raider, Road to Perdition, Muich, etc.) Honestly, if they wanted to go this way, get Thandie Newton. She's a beautiful woman and a POC with a much bigger list of blockbuster films (Crash, MI 2, 2012, Chronicles of Riddick, Solo, etc.) in her past.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:19 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: The criticisms of her in this thread so far have all been because she wasn't good looking, or black. Little about her ability to portray a Double O. Very enlightened. Really are those the only criticisms you heard? The impression I got is some are tired of this unimaginative and increasing pattern of flipping cultural icons and tropes into a more PC friendly or "woke" image. Also the new cultural woketopia isn't working. People are starting to reject it. In fact I thought that was pretty clear.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:23 am
Although I've got another one if you want to niggle on the facile, Doc.
I think even if Bart was just joking he may have had a point. This new female 007 looks a little Dykey.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:24 am
Bunch of old fuddle duddles who can't stand change... she's black, she's a woman, she's not pretty, she's gay (or not gay), don't touch my stuff, get off my grass! 
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:28 am
raydan raydan: Bunch of old fuddle duddles who can't stand change... she's black, she's a woman, she's not pretty, she's gay (or not gay), don't touch my stuff, get off my grass!  'Zactly. When Oscar night isn't dominated by 80% white men, then I'll believe we've reached peak equality in Hollywood.
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:29 am
So in all of Merry Old England there wasn't a more attractive, talented black actress to take on the role of 007? 
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:30 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: But now a question for you. If it was okay for the free world to criticize George Lazenby and Daniel Craig as James Bond why isn't it okay to do the same to this woman or, do we have to meekly accept it because she ticks all the PC boxes? They were criticized because they were unknowns; that they didn't have the chops to play "James Bond". (I'm still not sure about Barry Nelson) The criticisms of her in this thread so far have all been because she wasn't good looking, or black. Little about her ability to portray a Double O. Very enlightened. We should be able to judge a person based on their abilities, not looks or gender. It is 2015, after all. Daniel Craig had far more acting credits - including a number of big budget Hollywood films - when he landed the role than this Lynch has now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Craig
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:35 am
DrCaleb DrCaleb: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: We should be able to judge a person based on their abilities, not looks or gender. It is 2015, after all. Hello  Good luck to that Black girl for playing that role. I hope she plays that role with ease and confidence. I don't why but I find all these comments hilarious. People were used to of White male fighting, messing with everyone and then defeating them...Alpha white male personality they demand and like. They may be just loved Mr. Craig in that role. & Then enters a woman and that too of dark skin Note: No way I am making fun of that women / Black actress. All power to her. Would be interesting to see that radical change of character 
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 11:36 am
bootlegga bootlegga: DrCaleb DrCaleb: Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy: But now a question for you. If it was okay for the free world to criticize George Lazenby and Daniel Craig as James Bond why isn't it okay to do the same to this woman or, do we have to meekly accept it because she ticks all the PC boxes? They were criticized because they were unknowns; that they didn't have the chops to play "James Bond". (I'm still not sure about Barry Nelson) The criticisms of her in this thread so far have all been because she wasn't good looking, or black. Little about her ability to portray a Double O. Very enlightened. We should be able to judge a person based on their abilities, not looks or gender. It is 2015, after all. Daniel Craig had far more acting credits - including a number of big budget Hollywood films - when he landed the role than this Lynch has now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_CraigI like Craig. Most of the movies I've seen him in have been excellent. I also like him as Bond; a different Bond. Non-smoking, gets put in the hospital. . . more 'Human'. But like Dalton, Moore, Barry Nelson they all brought something new to the table. I'm willing to see what Lynch brings, before I decide how the movie will be. Fighter Fighter: Note: No way I am making fun of that women / Black actress. All power to her. Would be interesting to see that radical change of character  ^^ He gets it! ![Drink up [B-o]](./images/smilies/drinkup.gif)
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