[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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Canadians who undergo treatment at the clinic can receive coverage depending on their provincial health-care plan.

You're right fact checking isn't hard.

So fucking what? There's a whole shitload of US hospitals that accept Canadian provincial health care coverage.

My own HMO, Kaiser Permanente, accepts Canadian health care coverage in an emergency and when authorized.

You saying that they're part of your socialist medicine program, too?

I don't know if it's still going on but some Detroit hospitals accepted OHIP to provide chronic heart care for Windsorites and those living in the surrounding county.
But then Windsor and Detroit do share a special relationship. Or used to anyway.

[Robair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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Shouldice is still a private hospital regardless of whose insurance they accept for payment.

Yes, it's a private hospital. That operates within our socialist system.

To say it is seperate is flat out false. It has to follow the same rules as any other clinic in Canada. It can NOT charge more for medical treatment than the Canadian system will reimburse.

[Tricks]

Robair Robair:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

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Shouldice is still a private hospital regardless of whose insurance they accept for payment.

Yes, it's a private hospital. That operates within our socialist system.

To say it is seperate is flat out false. It has to follow the same rules as any other clinic in Canada. It can NOT charge more for medical treatment than the Canadian system will reimburse.

And judging from almost every review I can find from both here and abroad, wait time are so minimal for either occurrence, it's unlikely anyone is jumping the queue. The vast majority don't even mention the wait likely because it was so little, the ones that did seemed to be a month or two at most.

I think it's despicable he's taking jobs away from hard working American Doctors. /s

[BartSimpson]

Robair Robair:

To say it is seperate is flat out false. It has to follow the same rules as any other clinic in Canada. It can NOT charge more for medical treatment than the Canadian system will reimburse.

If you want premium services or if you're from the USA then Shouldice can charge whatever they want for those services.

[housewife]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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Paul is scheduled for surgery at Shouldice Hospital, which touts itself as a world leader in "non-mesh hernia repair."

Avoiding mesh in a hernia surgery is pretty damned impressive.

Also note that this is a PRIVATE hospital that has nothing to do with socialist medicine.

I really doubt OHIP would pay for specialized non-mesh surgery. Even though there are more and more reports of problems with some of the mesh surgeries.

[BartSimpson]

Thank you, Housewife!

Myself, I don't see why Canadians are not proud of the fact that one of your hospitals is the best in the world at something instead of making some dumbass political point that doesn't even apply!

[llama66]

I'm fine with a private Canadian Hospital being the best at something, it complements all the other World Class Public Hospitals we have in the GTA.

[Robair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Robair Robair:

To say it is seperate is flat out false. It has to follow the same rules as any other clinic in Canada. It can NOT charge more for medical treatment than the Canadian system will reimburse.

If you want premium services or if you're from the USA then Shouldice can charge whatever they want for those services.

If by premium services you mean a private room or larger TV then yes. They can charge whatever they want. They just can't charge more for medical treatment.

I have no idea if they can charge Americans more for medical treatment. I kind of doubt it though, as the whole idea behind not being able to charge more than Canada reimburses is to maintan equal access to health care... ...maybe they can charge foreigners more. I don't know.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

I'm fine with a private Canadian Hospital being the best at something, it complements all the other World Class Public Hospitals we have in the GTA.

I understand that Scarborough General Hospital Medical Mall will molest you for free with every sponge bath.

That's a pretty neat world class service.

[BartSimpson]

Robair Robair:

If by premium services you mean a private room or larger TV then yes. They can charge whatever they want. They just can't charge more for medical treatment.

Sure they can. If they have a premium treatment that isn't covered by provincial insurance then they can charge pretty much anything they want for it.

Robair Robair:

I have no idea if they can charge Americans more for medical treatment. I kind of doubt it though, as the whole idea behind not being able to charge more than Canada reimburses is to maintan equal access to health care... ...maybe they can charge foreigners more. I don't know.

According to their website (which was cited in this topic) they can and do charge Americans a different price than they charge Canadians.

As they should.

[Tricks]

housewife housewife:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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Paul is scheduled for surgery at Shouldice Hospital, which touts itself as a world leader in "non-mesh hernia repair."

Avoiding mesh in a hernia surgery is pretty damned impressive.

Also note that this is a PRIVATE hospital that has nothing to do with socialist medicine.

I really doubt OHIP would pay for specialized non-mesh surgery. Even though there are more and more reports of problems with some of the mesh surgeries.

It does, it's right there on the hospital's website.

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Ontario’s Hospital Insurance Plan (OHIP) covers all costs to Ontario residents for public ward rate hospital accommodation and physician services.

https://www.shouldice.com/faqs/

[bootlegga]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Robair Robair:

If by premium services you mean a private room or larger TV then yes. They can charge whatever they want. They just can't charge more for medical treatment.

Sure they can. If they have a premium treatment that isn't covered by provincial insurance then they can charge pretty much anything they want for it.

That's the difference between Canada and America - there are NO premium medical services. All services are billed the same, no matter who does it or where it happens.

Every province maintains its own billing guide and pays the same for that procedure province-wide. Here is the schedule of fees from Ontario's Health Insurance Act:

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/prog ... 052015.pdf

Ontarians do not get charged any extra for medical procedures, aside from expenses like medical equipment, parking, etc.

If an Albertan goes to Ontario and requires medical care, they may be required to pay something extra if Ontario charges a higher fee than Alberta pays its physicians for that same procedure.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

According to their website (which was cited in this topic) they can and do charge Americans a different price than they charge Canadians.

As they should.

That has nothing to do with Shouldice being a private hospital. They charge international visitors more because they are not citizens/residents and do not pay Canadian taxes. It would be the same for any international visitor, Americans do not pay any more than Columbians, Jordanians or Koreans.

[BartSimpson]

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's the difference between Canada and America - there are NO premium medical services. All services are billed the same, no matter who does it or where it happens.

The premium in this case is that Rand Paul is going to go to the front of the line because he's paying for that privilege. He'll also get a private room.

The rest of you have to wait your turn just like you do for hip surgery, knee replacements, and pretty much any advanced imaging services.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

According to their website (which was cited in this topic) they can and do charge Americans a different price than they charge Canadians.

As they should.

They can, but it still has to be reasonable. In Ontario under the professional misconduct regulations of the Medicine Act of 1991, it is considered professional misconduct if a doctor is caught "Charging a fee that is excessive in relation to the services performed". If found to be excessive they may be charged a fine up to 35 grand. Most provinces have schedules of fees sent out that give what an idea of what a reasonable amount is (typically higher than the provincial rate). And that's not to say that it can't be higher, but they'd likely need to justify it if a complaint arose. So it might be higher, but they can't make it whatever they want.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

bootlegga bootlegga:

That's the difference between Canada and America - there are NO premium medical services. All services are billed the same, no matter who does it or where it happens.

The premium in this case is that Rand Paul is going to go to the front of the line because he's paying for that privilege. He'll also get a private room.

The rest of you have to wait your turn just like you do for hip surgery, knee replacements, and pretty much any advanced imaging services.

Where is your proof he's going to the front of the line?