[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The sun is a hot bitch, too. Are you going to claim that there is 'catastrophic warming' on the sun?

You don't like that when people do it to you; don't do it to me.

I did not claim that you had said this. I asked if you would. Big difference.

"Have you stopped beating your wife?" is also just a question, but I would never insult you by asking it.

[BartSimpson]

Returning to what I did comment on:

Under what criteria do you consider the warming on Venus to be 'catastrophic'?

What was catastrophically impacted by this warming?

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Again you ignore the obvious, while not providing data. It's not about the naturally occurring ice age, it's about how fast we are adding heat to the atmosphere and how fast ecosystems can adapt.

That's exactly what happened during The Great Permian Extinction.

Speaking of ignoring the obvious, why am I the only one wondering how Doc thinks he can measure how fast global temperature warmed 252 million years ago, when they're so insecure about their global temperatures today scientists administrators like Thom Karl have to rewrite the data when the current data isn't telling him what they want to hear.

[N_Fiddledog]

BTW did they ever settle the debate on how much heat on Venus was caused by pressure?

I wouldn't go to Google if I cared enough to search. DuckDuckGo might help though.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

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Making up bullshit about things I have not written, and posting absolutely false information is why you are on my ignore list. And you didn't disappoint![/url]

Why is it that actual IPCC report graph you posted is radically different than the one you posted?

Let me explain it to you then.

The graph is not radically different. They lost the little-dotted line in the comparison graphs because it was unnecessary to show how the IPCC understanding of temperature changed in 11 years. Understanding of temperatures for the period changed again after Mann's massively discredited hockey stick graph of 2001.

The IPCC can't decide what the "rate of change" in temperatures has been over the past 150 years. Not even with your little-dotted line. Why are you so determined in your faith you know what happened 252 million years ago?

Oh, and I could care less if you're hiding in your safe space. Nonsense will still be challenged.

[Zipperfish]

Well at least we've dragged the so-called skeptics out of flat-out denial. That only took 30 years. lol

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well at least we've dragged the so-called skeptics out of flat-out denial. That only took 30 years. lol

Imagine that. Somebody starts talking about "making bullshit up" and you pop in with your BS like Beetlejuice.

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well at least we've dragged the so-called skeptics out of flat-out denial. That only took 30 years. lol

Imagine that. Somebody starts talking about "making bullshit up" and you pop in with your BS like Beetlejuice.

In another 30 years we'll have dragged you to the point to admit that, yes, it turns out that anthropogenic global warming does in fact have real economic and societal costs. And of course you'll be there saying that's what you said all along.

Fortunately, outside Jesusland, nobody really listens to you folks anymore.

[PluggyRug]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well at least we've dragged the so-called skeptics out of flat-out denial. That only took 30 years. lol

...and the so called worshipers in the Church of AGW are still relying on their faith.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Fortunately, outside Jesusland, nobody really listens to you folks anymore.

Uh-huh.

Yet outside of Western Europe, Scandinavia, Japan, and Canada no one is doing diddly fuck about the non-problem of global warming aside from demanding that you send them billions of dollars.

[PluggyRug]

This device is in the central core of all AGW computer models.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well at least we've dragged the so-called skeptics out of flat-out denial. That only took 30 years. lol

Imagine that. Somebody starts talking about "making bullshit up" and you pop in with your BS like Beetlejuice.

In another 30 years we'll have dragged you to the point to admit that, yes, it turns out that anthropogenic global warming does in fact have real economic and societal costs. And of course you'll be there saying that's what you said all along.

Fortunately, outside Jesusland, nobody really listens to you folks anymore.

Global temperatures have warmed in steps over the last 150 years, just not enough or in a manner, we necessarily need to be concerned about. Some of this warming can be attributed to human contributions of greenhouse gases. We don't know how much although there are guesses.

That claim has never changed from me. If you're saying it has you're lying. Lying - that's what liars do.

[Zipperfish]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well at least we've dragged the so-called skeptics out of flat-out denial. That only took 30 years. lol

...and the so called worshipers in the Church of AGW are still relying on their faith.

I think we've been down the science road before, and I recall that you tapped out pretty early, so I don't think you have the requisite knowledge to rationally draw that conclusion.

[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Fortunately, outside Jesusland, nobody really listens to you folks anymore.

Uh-huh.

Yet outside of Western Europe, Scandinavia, Japan, and Canada no one is doing diddly fuck about the non-problem of global warming aside from demanding that you send them billions of dollars.

So you don't like the political response to climate change. Fair enough. However, it seems a leap to go from that position to the position that "therefore AGW is a pile of crap."

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Global temperatures have warmed in steps over the last 150 years, just not enough or in a manner, we necessarily need to be concerned about. Some of this warming can be attributed to human contributions of greenhouse gases. We don't know how much although there are guesses.

That claim has never changed from me. If you're saying it has you're lying. Lying - that's what liars do.

You're gaslighting, Fiddle. You have been on here for years railing against every single study supporting the theory of anthropogenic global warming. Anyone putting out any kind of paper supporting GAW was demonized as a crook and a fraud. It's all a great global conspiracy by scientists and leftists. Anyone supporting the theory was a religious fanatic immune to reason.

And yes, the warming will be enough to be concerned about. It already is. Engineers, for example, are more uncertain of climactic data due to increasing temperatures, particularly north of 60, where warming seems to have been amplified. Melting permafrost means design changes. Opening of the northwest passage has sea ice decreases over time is a significant socio-economic issue for Canada.