CKA Forums
Login 
canadian forums
bottom
 
 
Canadian Forums

Author Topic Options
Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 53403
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 7:17 am
 


I'm waiting for those. ;)


Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
 Vancouver Canucks


GROUP_AVATAR
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 65472
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:03 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You forget, Bill Clinton...approved funding for the Hubble Space Telescope.

Don't let partisanship get in the way of fact! ;)


Speaking of partisanship getting in the way of facts....

Hubble was initially designed with funding approved by Nixon, the first stages of construction were built with funding approved by both Ford and Carter, the final construction outlay was completed with funding approved by Reagan, and it was launched in 1990 under a NASA budget approved by the first President Bush.

Clinton didn't become President until 1993.

Further, the National Academy of Sciences is not a Federal budget item. Its parent agency the National Science Foundation is. There are no line items in the NSF budget requests that itemize NAS spending and the NAS spending is simply reported to Congress. Therefore any NAS budget decision was done by the NSF and not directly by Congress or the President.


Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 53403
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:46 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You forget, Bill Clinton...approved funding for the Hubble Space Telescope.

Don't let partisanship get in the way of fact! ;)


Speaking of partisanship getting in the way of facts....

Hubble was initially designed with funding approved by Nixon, the first stages of construction were built with funding approved by both Ford and Carter, the final construction outlay was completed with funding approved by Reagan, and it was launched in 1990 under a NASA budget approved by the first President Bush.

Clinton didn't become President until 1993.


But the optics were created incorrectly, and a 'rescue' mission had to be funded, or the telescope would be useless. Under Clinton.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Further, the National Academy of Sciences is not a Federal budget item. Its parent agency the National Science Foundation is. There are no line items in the NSF budget requests that itemize NAS spending and the NAS spending is simply reported to Congress. Therefore any NAS budget decision was done by the NSF and not directly by Congress or the President.


My mistake, it was the NSF he approved funding for. All those ferrin' TLA's. ;)

$1:
Clinton proposes $2.8 billion increase in science funding

President Bill Clinton has proposed a $675 million boost to the US National Science Foundation's (NSF's) annual research budget — the largest increase ever.


http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 349a0.html


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Calgary Flames
Profile
Posts: 33561
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:58 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Hubble was initially designed with funding approved by Nixon, the first stages of construction were built with funding approved by both Ford and Carter, the final construction outlay was completed with funding approved by Reagan, and it was launched in 1990 under a NASA budget approved by the first President Bush.


Ah, yes, the last Republican presidents who respected science. Kind of a golden age compared to what they believe now. I wonder what President Ben Carson and his science advisor Ken Ham will think of all this tootling around in Jeebus' star-garden with all them there satanic satellites and tellyscopes and such. Seems to me them sciencey types really just need a daily dose of Vitamin Church, and the occasional exorcism, to set 'em all straight. Who needs science anyway when you've got the Bible and all them honest boys on Wall Street lookin' out fer yer best interests. :lol:


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Vancouver Canucks


GROUP_AVATAR
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 26145
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:05 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
andyt andyt:
Caleb you're not using the term projection correctly if it's meant in the psychological sense, so no wonder he's confused. If he was projecting the term "Chicken Little" it would mean he himself foresees doom but claims others do. I think what you mean is he's making strawman or reductio or ad absurdum arguments.


Ah, ok. I are Engeneer. Not brane guy.

I am saying that he's using the same tactics that the Deniers use, to cloud the issue with things nobody said and arguments from the fringe that no one was using. Reductio ad Absurdum fits just fine.


Actually you're both wrong. Reductio ad absurdum is not a fallacious argument and I'm pretty sure you want one of those. I think what you're looking for is "Appeal to Extremes". Reductio ad absurdum is a way of pointing out fallacies within statements.

Appeal to extremes is a kind of a cousin of reductio ad absurdum. I take an observation like the tendency to distort prediction towards catastrophe and I exaggerate it to an absurd abstraction which is purposely false.

For example with the study we are discussing here we have a computer model designed to predict heat beyond what is currently seen.

I exaggerate that to say "chicken little blatherings of boiling oceans." Now, there wasn't really a Chicken little and the study does not say oceans would actually boil.

It's not pointing out a fallacy like classic Reductio ad absurdum. It's more just exaggerating to mock. You know, like calling a Global Warming Catastrophe skeptic a denier.


Last edited by N_Fiddledog on Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:16 am, edited 4 times in total.

Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
 Vancouver Canucks


GROUP_AVATAR
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 65472
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:05 am
 


I think some of you folks are forgetting that Hubble was not just a space telescope. It's also had Defense Department taskings. :idea:


Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 53403
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:27 am
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
You know, like calling a Global Warming Catastrophe skeptic a denier.


If it talks like a duck . . .


Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 53403
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:29 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
I think some of you folks are forgetting that Hubble was not just a space telescope. It's also had Defense Department taskings. :idea:


[huh]

If you are thinking that it could be used for Earth observation, that isn't possible. Optical focal lengths wouldn't allow that. It why Hubble can take amazing pictures of galaxies, but Pluto is just a blur.


Offline
CKA Uber
CKA Uber
 Vancouver Canucks


GROUP_AVATAR
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 26145
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:42 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
You know, like calling a Global Warming Catastrophe skeptic a denier.


If it talks like a duck . . .



What about like a chicken? Chicken Little was a chicken. :wink:


Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 53403
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:45 am
 


Chickens don't talk. Everyone knows that.


Offline
CKA Elite
CKA Elite
 Los Angeles Kings
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 4661
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:47 am
 


DrCaleb DrCaleb:
You forget, Bill Clinton tripled funding to the National Academy of Sciences, put billions into the Human Genome project (that has had untold positive repercussions on science and medicine) and approved funding for the Hubble Space Telescope.

Don't let partisanship get in the way of fact! ;)

All that extra money and the HST was STILL non-functional when launched! Classic case of wasting money.


Offline
CKA Moderator
CKA Moderator
User avatar
Profile
Posts: 53403
PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:12 am
 


DanSC DanSC:
DrCaleb DrCaleb:
You forget, Bill Clinton tripled funding to the National Academy of Sciences, put billions into the Human Genome project (that has had untold positive repercussions on science and medicine) and approved funding for the Hubble Space Telescope.

Don't let partisanship get in the way of fact! ;)

All that extra money and the HST was STILL non-functional when launched! Classic case of wasting money.


It's paid off in the long run though! And James Webb will be [drool] even though it's an amazing lesson in wasted time and money.


Post new topic  Reply to topic  [ 42 posts ]  Previous  1  2  3



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 20 guests




 
     
All logos and trademarks in this site are property of their respective owner.
The comments are property of their posters, all the rest © Canadaka.net. Powered by © phpBB.