[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Not to worry Thanos, as long as there are Jews off somewhere doing evil Jew things, you'll find Neil MacDonald standing there like Tom Joad creating news out of feelings to stop them.

Wait...this just in from the mountaintop observatory. Neil just had his strongest feeling yet. Somebody in Mississauga may have bought a Soda Stream. Neil is getting a feeling Scarlett Johansson may be somewhere saying something.

Quick, to the Macmobile. And will somebody please get this man an order of Canada stat.

They didn't have to send back a copy of Canada's hate laws when MacDonald asked them what they meant by "zero tolerance" for encouraging the boycott of Israel. That wasn't feelings. CBC overplayed it though. Which is why they had to change the headline. One good thing about the story though--it makes you realize how many frothing-at-the-mouth Jew haters there are out there.

[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

One good thing about the story though--it makes you realize how many frothing-at-the-mouth Jew haters there are out there.

That's why the comments section on the CBC website serves such a valuable purpose. It shows how many of the twats are out there. CKA's merely plagued by one Andy. At CBC there appear to be hundreds and hundreds of them.

[N_Fiddledog]

Are you sure it wasn't those guys from HonestReporting who put the pressure on? They seem to think they did.

You know who they are right?

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HonestReporting (also Honest Reporting or honestreporting.com) is a pro-Israel,[1][2] non-governmental organization that monitors the media for what it perceives as bias against Israel.[3] The organization has affiliates in the United States, UK, Canada, Italy, and Brazil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonestReporting

[2Cdo]

Thanos Thanos:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

One good thing about the story though--it makes you realize how many frothing-at-the-mouth Jew haters there are out there.

That's why the comments section on the CBC website serves such a valuable purpose. It shows how many of the twats are out there. CKA's merely plagued by one Andy. At CBC there appear to be hundreds and hundreds of them.

More likely thousands and thousands. The CBC comments section would make andy piss himself with glee.

[Jabberwalker]

No government has the right to tell any of us how to think. Full stop.

[N_Fiddledog]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

No government has the right to tell any of us how to think. Full stop.

Why? Which government did that?

[Jabberwalker]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

No government has the right to tell any of us how to think. Full stop.

Why? Which government did that?

Ottawa considering hate charges against those who boycott Israel

This one thinks that it can. They really have run their course, haven't they?

[N_Fiddledog]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

No government has the right to tell any of us how to think. Full stop.

Why? Which government did that?

Ottawa considering hate charges against those who boycott Israel

Ah I see...you missed how that story has changed since it was first posted.

Even the story title has been changed.

It's explained on the previous page of this thread, but basically...

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In an HRC complaint sent this morning to Marissa Nelson, Managing Director of CBC.ca, we asked if CBC can prove that the Federal Government has “threatened” hate crimes charges against boycott Israel advocates? Can the CBC even cite one such example? The article itself does not contain anything to substantiate this charge except conjecture and Mr. Macdonald’s deductive reasoning, along with his forming conclusions based on some statements made by senior officials like Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney and his spokespersons.
In fact, Mr. Macdonald only says that “The Harper government is signalling its intention to use hate crime laws against Canadian advocacy groups that encourage boycotts of Israel.” This may or may not be the case, but there’s a marked difference between signalling intentions and claiming outright that the government has already “threatened” those who boycott Israel.
Global News reports that “The federal public safety minister’s office flatly denied a report that it has intentions to apply hate crime laws against Canadian groups encouraging Israeli boycotts. ‘This story is inaccurate and ridiculous. These laws have been on the books for many years and have not changed,’ said the spokesman for Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney. ‘We won’t dignify this bizarre conspiracy theory with further comment.’”

So not to worry. There is no reason to believe anybody is going to do what Neil MacDonald was trying to scare you about. Neil just had another one of his "feelings" is all.

[Zipperfish]

I'll take CBC over "Honest Reporting" thanks. I wonder what Blaney meant when he said "zero tolerance" for people choosing to boycott Israel then. Seems a strange statement for the Spokesminister of Public Safety to make. I wasn't even aware it was a threat to safety. And when Neil Macdonald asked what Blaney meant they sent stuff on hate law.

These guys have worn out their welcome.

[andyt]

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In January, Canada's then foreign affairs minister, John Baird, signed a "memorandum of understanding" with Israeli authorities in Jerusalem, pledging to combat BDS.

It described the movement as "the new face of anti-Semitism."

A few days later, at the UN, Canadian Public Security Minister Steven Blaney went much further.

He conflated boycotts of Israel with anti-Semitic hate speech and violence, including the deadly attacks that had just taken place in Paris on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and a kosher supermarket.

Blaney then said the government is taking a "zero tolerance" approach to BDS.

But in response to specific questions about what "zero tolerance" of BDS means, and how it will be enforced, Blaney aide Josee Sirois gave CBC News a much clearer picture of the government's intent.

"I can tell you that Canada has one of the most comprehensive sets of laws against hate crime anywhere in the world," wrote Sirois.

She highlighted what she termed "hate propaganda" provisions in the Criminal Code criminalizing the promotion of hatred against an identifiable group, and further noted that "identifiable group" now includes any section of the public distinguished by "among other characteristics, religion or national or ethnic origin."

She also referred to Criminal Code provisions requiring that a judge consider hate, bias or prejudice when sentencing an offender.

"We will not allow hate crimes to undermine our way of life, which is based on diversity and inclusion," she concluded.

It seems a requote is in order to show there is something behind this story. At the least the govt wanted to talk tough and backed down when confronted with it.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I'll take CBC over "Honest Reporting" thanks.

Then Jabberwalker can still stop worrying, because what the CBC is saying now is the Tories are not claiming they will be using hate crime law to stop boycotts against Israel.

Tories deny plan to use hate crime laws against Israel boycotters

This bit is interesting:

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Following the publication of the story on Monday, Jeremy Laurin, a spokesman for Blaney, said that "this story is inaccurate and ridiculous. These laws have been on the books for many years and have not changed."​

Neil's story began with him email badgering a different person he identified as Blaney's spokesperson. Somebody apparently named Josee Chirois. Which spokesperson actually speaks for Minister Steve Blaney is unclear at the moment, but what happened was MacDonald emailed the Chirois woman and asked her what Blaney meant by "Zero tolerance". She first directed him to Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada, telling him "They indicated they would follow-up with you directly."

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015 ... secutions/

Neil was not having any of that. Apparently only the opinion of this spokesperson nobody else had ever heard of was the only opinion that mattered here, and he demanded to know what she thought Zero tolerance meant.

She then blathered on about what might be possible under hate crime laws, and that was good enough for Neil.

Doesn't matter, because now it's not just the guy CBC calls "a spokesman for Blaney" saying the story is "ridiculous and innaccurate".

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Jean-Christophe de Le Rue, director of communications for Public Safety, added that "politicians cannot lay charges — the independent police and public prosecution service do."

It is interesting the CBC is now calling Jeremy Laurin Blaney's spokesman. In the original Neil MacDonald post they say Blaney's spokeperson was this Josee Chirois woman.

CBC now refers to her as simply "Josée Sirois, a spokeswoman for Public Safety Canada."

[DrCaleb]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

CBC now refers to her as simply "Josée Sirois, a spokeswoman for Public Safety Canada."

Glenn Greenwald does as well.

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UPDATE: Sirois is technically a spokesperson for the Public Safety Department, not for the Public Safety Minister himself. The headline and text have been lightly edited to reflect that distinction.

He also added:

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Below is the email exchange between the CBC reporter, Neil Macdonald, and the spokesman for the Public Safety Department that leaves no doubt that the Harper government did exactly what the CBC reported: namely, cited various criminal hate speech laws when asked what, specifically, the Canadian Government would do to enforce its so-called “zero tolerance policy” against advocates of boycotting Israel. They added that “we will not allow hate crimes to undermine our way of life, which is based on diversity and inclusion”:

[N_Fiddledog]

I already linked to the full email exchange above your post. Yes somebody named Josee Chirois did blather on about hate crime laws after sufficient coaxing.

But you're telling me even Glenn Greenwald is now saying Ms. Chirois is not - as the CBC first claimed - Steve Blaney's personal spokesperson. According to the CBC now, that title belongs to this guy, Jeremy Laurin, who CBC is now quoting as calling their original story "inaccurate and ridiculous".

As it now seems this Ms. Chirois is little more than some rep within the department. One has to wonder, how many of these "spokespersons" did Neil have to contact before he came across one who would produce the right insinuation?

[Zipperfish]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Neil's story began with him email badgering a different person

He was following the exact proces dictated by the government. Email your question in, along with your deadline. How is doing his job "badgering"?

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he identified as Blaney's spokesperson. Somebody apparently named Josee Chirois. Which spokesperson actually speaks for Minister Steve Blaney is unclear at the moment, but what happened was MacDonald emailed the Chirois woman and asked her what Blaney meant by "Zero tolerance". She first directed him to Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development Canada, telling him "They indicated they would follow-up with you directly."

Macdonald correctly ppointed out that the comments were made by Blaney, the Minister of Public Safety, not the Minister of Foreign Affairs. Blaney is the one who made the coment. It makes sense that Macdonald would want to know from Blaney what Blaney meant.

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She then blathered on about what might be possible under hate crime laws, and that was good enough for Neil.

She released the offical governmnet response to Macdonald's question. This would have been approved a fairly senior level prior to going out.

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It is interesting the CBC is now calling Jeremy Laurin Blaney's spokesman. In the original Neil MacDonald post they say Blaney's spokeperson was this Josee Chirois woman.

They have more than one person in their PR contingent.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

They have more than one person in their PR contingent.

But only one is Steve Blaney's personal spokesperson. CBC is no longer claiming that is Charois.

She's just another one, and again, how many of that faceless multitude did MacDonald contact before he got something he thought he could use?

Also, and again it doesn't matter. The Government is now officially saying MacDonald's claim is a bunch of hooey.