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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:25 pm
 


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Much to do about nothing. Super boxes have been around since Trudeau was PM, disabled end elderly manage just fine. How many times in a week do you really need to check your mailbox?

If Justin wants to cry about it he can blame daddy.


Why haven't the people on the left been on our governments to correct this injustice which has been causing seniors and the disabled so much hardship over the last 2-3 decades?

Selective political outrage at it's finest.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:36 pm
 


You can get groceries delivered to your door. Don't know what those fail oldsters do with their outgoing mail tho. If they live in the burbs they're basically fucked without a car anyway. If they live in urban areas, presumably there is enough population to have the superboxes not very far away.

A shame tho, that we're the only first world country that's talking about doing away with home delivery. In Britain they still deliver twice a day. But, many countries have privatized their postal system - guess we should be looking at that.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:41 pm
 


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Faux outrage is right. Where has all this outrage been for the 2/3 of Canadians including the disabled and elderly who allready don't have home delivery.

Maybe we should bring back the milk man too.

Exactly. I don't see the point, nor do my elderly neighbours. We all have to do grocery shopping, and usually, post office/mailboxes are close by or on the way. If the 'disabled or elderly' can't get there, they probably can't go shopping alone either.
For the bedridden people, someone picks their mail off the floor now, right?

I seriously do not see the point. I haven't had any home delivery in 6 years and it is all good. My neighbours mail was picked up when she couldn't, as was her dog walked and her groceries done.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:44 pm
 


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You can get groceries delivered to your door. Don't know what those fail oldsters do with their outgoing mail tho. If they live in the burbs they're basically fucked without a car anyway. If they live in urban areas, presumably there is enough population to have the superboxes not very far away.

A shame tho, that we're the only first world country that's talking about doing away with home delivery. In Britain they still deliver twice a day. But, many countries have privatized their postal system - guess we should be looking at that.

No other country is as vast as Canada (which is the reason I am always told when I ask why my cell phone bill is so freaking high. "Can't put a pole everywhere, country too big, population too small")

Btw, outgoing mail goes into a slot that is in the 'superbox'-box.
Packages are put in a bigger box, and the key is in your mailbox. Please put the key back in the slot when you have grabbed your package.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:49 pm
 


So outgoing mail will actually be more convenient. Gotta admit I can't see the fuss. The thing that has me most worried is that the boxes are supposed to be magnets for thieves.

BTW, the vast areas are already not served by door to door, just urban and older suburban. Since we're also one of the most urbanized countries in the world, the argument we're too vast to deliver to urban areas doesn't hold water.

Probably the rural areas are sucking all the profit out of the post office. Charge them more then, but the Reformacon won't do that because that's part of their base (the part that doesn't live in Fordtopia).


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:56 pm
 


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So outgoing mail will actually be more convenient. Gotta admit I can't see the fuss. The thing that has me most worried is that the boxes are supposed to be magnets for thieves.


Meh, if somebody wanted to steal your mail, and you have at home delivery, unless you have a slot in the door, they can just open the mailbox and take your mail while you're at work, or whatever.

I do think a lot of those mail boxes do need to have better access though. They're terrible at times


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So outgoing mail will actually be more convenient. Gotta admit I can't see the fuss. The thing that has me most worried is that the boxes are supposed to be magnets for thieves.


Someone should ask Deepak if that means that Canadian thieves will be less fit, now?


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You can get groceries delivered to your door. Don't know what those fail oldsters do with their outgoing mail tho. If they live in the burbs they're basically fucked without a car anyway. If they live in urban areas, presumably there is enough population to have the superboxes not very far away.

A shame tho, that we're the only first world country that's talking about doing away with home delivery. In Britain they still deliver twice a day. But, many countries have privatized their postal system - guess we should be looking at that.


Sure, you can have groceries delivered to your door...but tell that to a senior with mobility issues to jump on the interweb and order a bunch of food. It'll go over about as well as a fart at church.

andyt andyt:
The thing that has me most worried is that the boxes are supposed to be magnets for thieves.


Over the last 10 years in my neighbourhood, there's been zero issues with theft. Besides, it's much easier to steal mail when it's sitting in an unlocked box on your house.


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Probably the rural areas are sucking all the profit out of the post office. Charge them more then, but the Reformacon won't do that because that's part of their base (the part that doesn't live in Fordtopia).


Rural areas have mail delivered to a post office box which is far cheaper than having an army of men and women deliver mail door-to-door to houses 4' apart.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:28 am
 


Rural areas have had super boxes for almost 20 years, or as you pointed out a post office with boxes that serves a large area....again, andy doesn`t surprise with his ignorance. Hell, everyone at the school, all 40 staff, shares one postal box and we have service 3 times a week

A further advantage is that your mail doesn`t pile up while you`re away. If anything, mail piling up is a magnet for B&Es


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Rural areas have mail delivered to a post office box which is far cheaper than having an army of men and women deliver mail door-to-door to houses 4' apart.


The cost of rural delivery is what is given for Canada to have such supposedly high postal costs. Certainly in urban areas, it costs us no more than other countries to deliver door to door, why would we need to be the only country that can't manage that? The argument against privatising the post office is similar - the private sector would not service the rural areas because they couldn't make a profit, but would gladly do door to door in the urban areas. Get it?

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Canada Post could have cut household mail delivery to three times a week from five – an option suggested in a recent Conference Board of Canada report commissioned by the post office. But many businesses still want daily delivery. It also could have closed more rural post offices, or eliminated costly rural mail, but those options would have upset rural voters.


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And as ever, the obstacle remains the “universal” service mandate. Private competitors, it is asserted with utter conviction, would refuse to serve the countryside. They’d undercut Canada Post on urban routes, leaving the post office with the costlier rural routes.

That would certainly be true — if the private carriers were obliged, as Canada Post is now, to charge the same price for a letter anywhere in the country, no matter where it goes or how much it costs to get it there.


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The cost of rural delivery is what is given for Canada to have such supposedly high postal costs. Certainly in urban areas, it costs us no more than other countries to deliver door to door, why would we need to be the only country that can't manage that? The argument against privatising the post office is similar - the private sector would not service the rural areas because they couldn't make a profit, but would gladly do door to door in the urban areas. Get it?


It takes one guy in a postal truck to drive from rural community to drop mail into a batch of superboxes or within a post office.

Rural communities have had these boxes for years.

andyt andyt:
It also could have closed more rural post offices, or eliminated costly rural mail, but those options would have upset rural voters.


Yea, because cutting off mail to rural communities so urban people can have door-to-door service makes perfect sense.

We wouldn't want those downtown Toronto people to walk 4 houses to get their mail. Tragedy will ensue.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:54 am
 


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We wouldn't want those downtown Toronto people to walk 4 houses to get their mail. Tragedy will ensue.


They worried about an upserge in muggings?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:04 am
 


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Rural communities have had these boxes for years.



You don't need to keep repeating it. Everybody knows this, and if they didn't, the recent discussion about how only 1/3 of Canadians get door to door has made that clear. And yet, it costs more to deliver to those rural mailboxes. Charge them more then. And maybe close some post offices that only serve very small populations, so those folks have to drive further for their mail. Again, under a private system, that's what they would have to do, if they got mail at all. People have suggested Canada Post should just service these unprofitable routes, so those folks will still get some service leave the profitable ones to the private sector. I just can't see the reasoning behind that. But you want to go with privatization, that's what would happen.


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You don't need to keep repeating it. Everybody knows this, and if they didn't, the recent discussion about how only 1/3 of Canadians get door to door has made that clear. And yet, it costs more to deliver to those rural mailboxes.


Says who?

How is servicing 50-100 homes in 5-10 minutes with private contractor more expensive than servicing the same amount of homes with multiple postal workers, unionized and pensioned, walking door to door with 10x more time spent?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:38 am
 


The only reason WHY it costs more (if so), is because mail has to go to the rural communities. Once it is there, there is no big deal anymore. Like OTI says, it is one guy that does the box deliveries of mail, who also does the package delivery.

So, yes, it has to go from Vancouver to Rural Sorting Facility, and from there to the small town. The road Vancouver-Rural Sorting Facility is long. Then again, it takes 10 days for a letter to get here. It's not like we get mail the next day, like city-slickers do.


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