[DrCaleb]

commanderkai commanderkai:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I think they have it backwards. If people want to go all Jihadi, we should let them. After a terror type conviction, they get put on a list where all they can do is fly there, not back here. Once they renounce their citizenship, we give them a 1 way ticket. Bye! {waves hand}

I think dying for ones beliefs is a noble sacrifice. More radicals should sign up to die in foreign wars.

As much as it might be tempting, I'd rather not have Canada wash its hands of its responsibility of dealing with these radical assholes, especially since they have a very bad tendency to go out and try to kill as many civilians as possible compared to fighting in any actual war.

I'd rather not as well. But recent reports are that young men are leaving Canada at the rate of several per day; all headed for Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Egypt or Libya. If imams are going to come here and radicalize our youth to have them go off and fight their war, then as the Bible says, they reap what they shall sow. So do we for allowing it.

Convicting these people first shows we do not condone it. But they are obviously going to slip out and join the fight whether we let them or not. We might as wll make our feelings known; that such things are not welcome here.

[Jabberwalker]

$1:

we've sure spent significant amount of time fucking them over,

Speak for yourself. I've done no such thing. My family have been quiet, peaceful farmers, here for a third of a millennium and they have done no such thing, either. I /we carry no collective guilt over the Middle East, thank you very much. I am not suddenly guilty because of the colour of my skin or my native language nor are my compatriots. If you've felt that you've "fucked the Middle East over" then you proceed as you feel the need to. Don't project your feelings of guilt on me.

[Jabberwalker]

$1:

As much as it might be tempting, I'd rather not have Canada wash its hands of its responsibility of dealing with these radical assholes, especially since they have a very bad tendency to go out and try to kill as many civilians as possible compared to fighting in any actual war.

You are not in a position to stop them nor police them without killing a lot of them ... and I mean a very large number of them. If Canada really wants to save the Middle East, we had better recruit a very large military and train them all for the worst and then commit them for real. The "Nice Guy" routine has them laughing at you. Economic boycott has been done to death. If you really want to engage and "fix" the Middle East, shit or get off the pot.

[fifeboy]

I wonder how he is enjoying all those virgins?

[BartSimpson]

Regina Regina:

What a shame............pass the peanuts.

[DrCaleb]

Interesting commentary:

$1:

Alberta high school dropout explains why he, and many others, have gone to fight in Syria

. . .

Mr. Clairmont left Alberta for Syria last November. The RCMP and CSIS are investigating, his mother said. In exchanges with the National Post, he explained his decision in wholly religious terms, saying he was working towards the afterlife.

“The benefit for myself in terms of the worldly life is most certainly back in Canada where I could see my family, indulge in fornication and infidelity legally and limitlessly and stagger around poisoned on intoxicants and then lie to myself and the world about ‘Freedom’ and how fantastic it is,” the Nova Scotia-born Acadian wrote.

“After all that is what we were conditioned to believe since our school days, was it not?” he added. “Challenging those learned assumptions, questioning them and actually being willing to change yourself is always much harder to do. My doing so caused a search for truth and ended in a conclusion that Islam was the answer. With that came Islam’s concept of working for an afterlife that never ends … An eternity in Paradise cannot to traded for 70 years (if that) of this place.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/26 ... -in-syria/

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Interesting commentary:

$1:

Alberta high school dropout explains why he, and many others, have gone to fight in Syria

. . .

Mr. Clairmont left Alberta for Syria last November. The RCMP and CSIS are investigating, his mother said. In exchanges with the National Post, he explained his decision in wholly religious terms, saying he was working towards the afterlife.

“The benefit for myself in terms of the worldly life is most certainly back in Canada where I could see my family, indulge in fornication and infidelity legally and limitlessly and stagger around poisoned on intoxicants and then lie to myself and the world about ‘Freedom’ and how fantastic it is,” the Nova Scotia-born Acadian wrote.

“After all that is what we were conditioned to believe since our school days, was it not?” he added. “Challenging those learned assumptions, questioning them and actually being willing to change yourself is always much harder to do. My doing so caused a search for truth and ended in a conclusion that Islam was the answer. With that came Islam’s concept of working for an afterlife that never ends … An eternity in Paradise cannot to traded for 70 years (if that) of this place.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/26 ... -in-syria/

What this kid is doing is rejecting the libertine paradigm as the lie that it is and he's seeking something more enduring and more meaningful. He's lost in his search but the fact remains that the empty, soul-less lie of modern Western life is wholly unsatisfying for a growing number of disaffected youth.

I think of Christy from this site whom I have gotten to know over the years. She was rolling in the secular, permissive lifestyle and now she's married, been in a paternalistic church for a lot of years, has four kids, and she walked away from a highly successful career at Bain Capital (Mitt Romney's company) because the whole thing left her feeling unsatisfied.

Lots of kids are seeking because they're just not finding anything of substance in the sexualized, secularized life that popular culture has told them is the way to happiness.

I just saw the recent version of The Great Gatsby over the weekend and that movie calls out to these kids for whom opulence, wealth, and excess leave them wanting for something intangible yet more satisfying and real.

Islam is not the answer because the clerics just use these kids as cannon fodder.

It's a problem that's going to get worse as more and more youth come to realize that the materialistic lives their parents led are going to be a thing of the past. There are no more secure jobs. There's no promise of a financially sound retirment waiting for anyone when one country after another seizes private retirement funds to subsidize social spending. There's no promise of any "Golden Years" waiting for anyone after retirement given the impetus of society these days to rush to adopt a Logan's Run kind of culture where the old will be summarily executed (that's what involuntary euthanasia really is) so why support a culture or society that promises to kill you the first minute it can't extract anything useful from you?

Who the hell in their right mind would invest their life working to further a society that'll coldly turn around and murder you the moment you're no longer useful to them?

May as well go to Syria and die doing something that has more meaning than getting offed like a pet dog when you're in your seventies.

[ShepherdsDog]

From a purely religious viewpoint:

The Muslim society seems focused on a better life in the afterlife, to the exclusion of the life we are living. Evangelical Christians seem to hold a similar view to the world as well. Mainstream Protestants(esp Calvinists) differed somewhat, because they had the view that God helps those who help themselves. Success in life(as a result of hard work) was a sign that God favoured you and that favour would carry on into the Afterlife. Jews, focus on this life because God never made any promises that there'd be anything beyond this life. Martyring yourself made absolutely no sense at all, because you'd lose any chance to enjoy the pleasures and joys of the one life you were given.

[Thanos]

I'm not sure where all this "let's croak the elderly" stuff is coming from. Certainly no one here at CKA's endorsed it, unless it's some sort of oblique swipe at those of us who believe that a person should be allowed to choose to self-terminate if living in non-stop physical agony has become too much for them to bear anymore. All I know is that it's the sign of a diseased mind to obsess over the alleged wonders of the next world when there's still lots to be done to make this current one a better place for all. No one forces us to live under the vapid materialism and maniacally-stupid dictates the corporatist scum in the financial sector imposes on us. If we decide enough is enough, and told these unelected plutocrats to go take a flying leap, we could change the world for the better overnight if we chose to.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Interesting commentary:

$1:

Alberta high school dropout explains why he, and many others, have gone to fight in Syria

. . .

Mr. Clairmont left Alberta for Syria last November. The RCMP and CSIS are investigating, his mother said. In exchanges with the National Post, he explained his decision in wholly religious terms, saying he was working towards the afterlife.

“The benefit for myself in terms of the worldly life is most certainly back in Canada where I could see my family, indulge in fornication and infidelity legally and limitlessly and stagger around poisoned on intoxicants and then lie to myself and the world about ‘Freedom’ and how fantastic it is,” the Nova Scotia-born Acadian wrote.

“After all that is what we were conditioned to believe since our school days, was it not?” he added. “Challenging those learned assumptions, questioning them and actually being willing to change yourself is always much harder to do. My doing so caused a search for truth and ended in a conclusion that Islam was the answer. With that came Islam’s concept of working for an afterlife that never ends … An eternity in Paradise cannot to traded for 70 years (if that) of this place.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/26 ... -in-syria/

What this kid is doing is rejecting the libertine paradigm as the lie that it is and he's seeking something more enduring and more meaningful. He's lost in his search but the fact remains that the empty, soul-less lie of modern Western life is wholly unsatisfying for a growing number of disaffected youth.

...

Lots of kids are seeking because they're just not finding anything of substance in the sexualized, secularized life that popular culture has told them is the way to happiness.

...

Islam is not the answer because the clerics just use these kids as cannon fodder.

That's what drew me to the article. I couldn't figure out why Albertan or Canadian kids would be drawn into a fight on the other side of the world that, from what I could see, wouldn't affect them if they didn't get involved.

Somehow the attraction of Islam is strong enough that they would want to die for it? I guess I just don't understand that. Perhaps because I don't indulge in most of the popular culture, I suppose.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It's a problem that's going to get worse as more and more youth come to realize that the materialistic lives their parents led are going to be a thing of the past. There are no more secure jobs. There's no promise of a financially sound retirment waiting for anyone when one country after another seizes private retirement funds to subsidize social spending. There's no promise of any "Golden Years" waiting for anyone after retirement given the impetus of society these days to rush to adopt a Logan's Run kind of culture where the old will be summarily executed (that's what involuntary euthanasia really is) so why support a culture or society that promises to kill you the first minute it can't extract anything useful from you?

Again, my parents weren't overly materialistic, so I can't relate. Everything I have, I earned or I built. I guess that changes my perspective to something they couldn't relate to.

I knew there was no hope of 'golden years' when my Dad was forced into early retirement while at the top of his game by a company he had worked his whole life for. Western Canadian Manager for a finance company. Multi million dollar deals left and right, but somehow his performance wasn't satisfactory? I've been a contractor too long to assume my job will last any longer than today. Tomorrow, everything might change. So I only have myself to rely on.

And I am not soft in the head enough to assume I will have a retirement beyond what I save for. If CPP has a little left over for me, that's great. Otherwise, I'll manage just fine.

I don't see the whole 'Logans Run' part of your perspective, but then again we come from very different places in society.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Who the hell in their right mind would invest their life working to further a society that'll coldly turn around and murder you the moment you're no longer useful to them?

May as well go to Syria and die doing something that has more meaning than getting offed like a pet dog when you're in your seventies.

That's the part I can't figure out. I don't see society in that way, so I can't see where throwing my life away to a pointless cause makes sense. But somehow, they do.

[DrCaleb]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Martyring yourself made absolutely no sense at all, because you'd lose any chance to enjoy the pleasures and joys of the one life you were given.

Exactly! I mean, I'd love to partake of this constant drunken fornication that guy speaks of, but I just don't seem to be in the right postal code. All we seem have here is; work, eat, sleep.

[ShepherdsDog]

when I eat the wrong thing, I sleep that much quicker. Fuck it this world is too much to handle, give me a slab of fudge brownie and two liters of coke.

[martin14]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

when I eat the wrong thing, I sleep that much quicker. Fuck it this world is too much to handle, give me a slab of fudge brownie and two liters of coke.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I'd rather not as well. But recent reports are that young men are leaving Canada at the rate of several per day; all headed for Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Egypt or Libya. If imams are going to come here and radicalize our youth to have them go off and fight their war, then as the Bible says, they reap what they shall sow. So do we for allowing it.

But everything in Canada is fine, we have all good Muslims here, there is no problem.....

/sarcasm