[Zipperfish]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

I suppose we should add a 'notwithstanding clause' to our Constitution to render our rights into government-sanctioned revocable privileges like what you have, eh?

The "notwithstanding clause" is a very Canadian form of compromise. It shifts power away from the courts and towards the elected government, but, if you do that, you have to hit the big red mushroom button called the "notwithstanding clause"


I don't think it would fly in the US. I understand that they have drinking driver roadblocks in the US, as they do in Canada. These are unconstitutional (arrest with no probable cause). In order to make them constitutional, the Supreme Court had to do a big song and dance--they said that while they infringe the consitution, stopping drinking and driving is important, so roadblocks were consitutional. I'm ot arguing for or against roadblocks to catch drunks, I'm just saying that is an obvious example of where teh Constitution was more or less ignored.

We have random roadblocks in Canada as well, and theya re just as un-Constitutional, but, to my knoweldge we haven't invoked the "notwithstanding clause." Just the same sort of mealy-mouthed legal argument that, while it may be a violation of basic rights, it's more important to get drunks off the road. I accept the argument--but I think they should invoke the notwithstanding clause.

[Jabberwalker]

Get a list of the members of the Democrat's Progressive Caucus sometime, and google them with the keyword 'Socialist'.

Their whole political spectrum is skewed way to the right.

[Jabberwalker]

All I know is whatever they have to do to let Ted Cruz run for President in 2016 I'm for it.


He cayn't becum Prezeedent now! He's a ice-back furriner! The Tea Party gotta look somwheres else.

[N_Fiddledog]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

All I know is whatever they have to do to let Ted Cruz run for President in 2016 I'm for it.


He cayn't becum Prezeedent now! He's a ice-back furriner! The Tea Party gotta look somwheres else.

We both remember John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, right?

OK, now argue with this guy then.

$1:

The presidential requirement of being a “natural born citizen” in Article 2, Section 1 of the US Constitution is unique, in that the concept has pretty much no other application in American life. However, it’s not so unique as to be completely without analogy or comprehension. A natural-born citizen can be defined as an American that does not require extra intervention to access citizenship rights. If Cruz had to go through the naturalization process to vote, for instance, or to get a US passport, then he would not qualify to run for President. Instead, Cruz has been able to legally exercise his rights as a citizen without any other intervention except his coming of age, as all American citizens do. Current law makes it clear that regardless of how Canada sees Cruz, the US saw him as a citizen by provenance of his birth — a natural-born citizen.

http://hotair.com/archives/2013/08/19/c ... rtificate/

BTW the Progressive Caucus is nowhere close to being any kind right wing no matter how you choose to skew it.

It was founded by an admitted Socialist.

The Chairman is, or has been affiliated with the Communist Party.

Wanna see a cute YouTube clip of Maxine Waters inadvertently admitting she's a socialist?

[xerxes]

Wanna tell me why we should care ? You have a socialist senator. He keeps getting reelected so it's obviously not a problem.

[Delwin]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Unsound Unsound:

Pretty much a non-story imo, although there would likely be a lot more attention if a democrat was in the same situation.

According to the Birthers though, Obama is Kenyan even with a mother who is American. By the same logic then, Cruz is Cuban because his father is Cuban.

You forgot Muslim Communist.

Is that a real thing? It sounds oxymoronish.

[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

Wanna tell me why we should care ? You have a socialist senator. He keeps getting reelected so it's obviously not a problem.

Whether it's a good thing or a bad thing doesn't matter here. The argument concerned whether or not it existed. Somebody was arguing with this quote.

$1:

The Democrats these days are best called socialists for the simple reason that a growing number of them openly espouse socialism.

Even though Saunders himself is Independent, and only caucuses with the Democrats, the rest of the Progressive Caucus offers some credibility towards at least the last part of the quote. A growing number of Democrats are at least 'progressing' towards the socialism, or far left sphere. Progressive Caucus chair and Democrat Raul Grijalva has been connected to the Communist party.

Maxine Waters accidentally admitted one time she was a socialist.

When Nancy Pelosi says something idiotic like Unemployment Insurance improves the economy she talking like a socialist.

What's her name, the phony Indian professor from Massachusetts, is a socialist.

Even Ol "You didn't build that - Share the wealth" has Communist and Socialist connections coming out the Yin Yang.

[xerxes]

I see. But the. We're taking about democratic socialism. Not the "eviscerste the bourgeoisie" type socialism. You can believe in democracy and believe in aspects of socialism. I do.

Your red fear is a relic of an era long gone.

[bootlegga]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So Cruz is Cuban?

Not just Cuban, but a Cuban mole set on destroying the USA at the behest of his true master...Fidel Castro!

[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

I see. But the. We're taking about democratic socialism. Not the "eviscerste the bourgeoisie" type socialism. You can believe in democracy and believe in aspects of socialism. I do.

Your red fear is a relic of an era long gone.

Who's this "We" you're talking about. The quote that started the discussion simply suggested a connection between Democrats and Socialism by way of an increasing trend to the far left.

All's I'm saying is he has a point. It's you who's fixated on that being a bad thing, not me. If I wanted to though, I'd be bringing up people like Frank Marshall Davis (Communist), and Bill Ayers (far left to anarchist), not to mention some of the more nasty Czars Obama snatched up, like Van Jones (admitted Communist).

And every time you fixate on Bernie Saunders, and say that's not so bad I'd list another 5 far left Dems who are that bad. Do you really wanna do that?

[llama66]

I see both sides drifting to the extremes.

[Jabberwalker]

bootlegga bootlegga:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

So Cruz is Cuban?

Not just Cuban, but a Cuban mole set on destroying the USA at the behest of his true master...Fidel Castro!

Them Hillbilly Tea Party Birthers ben hoodwinked agin!

[Jabberwalker]

This is how you renounce your Canadian citizenship:

How it's done

Canadian citizens can give up their citizenship as long as they meet the following criteria: they are, or will become, citizens of another country if their application to renounce is approved; they are at least 18 years old; they don't live in Canada; and they are not considered "a threat to Canada’s security or part of a pattern of criminal activity," according to Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC).

I would have thought that the last criterion mentioned should have excluded Conrad Black from doing it.

[BartSimpson]

llama66 llama66:

I see both sides drifting to the extremes.

Drifting? The Democrats are sailing full-speed ahead to the extremes.

[llama66]

As have the Republicans...