[N_Fiddledog]

You ask how many violent acts are still being taken in the Christian name Gunnair? My challenge still stands.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here's an open challenge.

Anybody wanna prove Islam does not deserve a mocking for the label "Religion of Peace", on the grounds it endorses too much not-peace?

Open a thread. Pick a religion. You post links to current articles and such of violence perpetrated under the mantle of that religion. I'll do the same for Islam. Most examples loses the right to call themselves the religion of peace, and concedes to the right of others to mock them for using it.

Nobody ever accepts this challenge. Let's be honest. Of course you'd lose. The only response I've ever got to it, "That's dumb. You're a big dumbhead", or the equivalent.

[N_Fiddledog]

There is no moral equivalency between what is being done in the name of Islam, and what is being done in the name of any other religion. Feel free to accept my challenge and prove me wrong.

[Gunnair]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Brenda Brenda:

Gunnair Gunnair:

You don't take jihadis to task, you take Islam to task because of jihadis.

That is perfectly worded.

Also untrue.

You Progressive types can't be telling me I can't tell you what you believe (I hear this all the time), then start telling me what I believe.

I believe there is a radical side of Islam that selects passages from Muhhamad's days of rape, pillage and murder at Medina, as opposed to his discussions with the angel in the cave outside Mecca.

So to me there's Mecca Muslims, and Medina Muslims. Radicalized Islam is Medina, and it's not about God. It's about who should be raped, who should be killed, who should be enslaved, when to behead, and when to just lop off an arm, stuff like that.

So I'm for Mecca Muslims, and against Medina Islam, but it's easier just to say 'radical Islam'. Jihad is part of radical Islam. It isn't the totality of radical Islam, so of course it is not the totality of all Islam.

Now as far as a comprehensive worldwide survey of who believes what, and how much does this or that person believe of this or that, Gunnair is correct as far as I know nothing like that exists. I don't see how such a survey would even be possible. However there are surveys of different regions dealing with specific areas of radicalization. That's the best I can do. Trust me though, from what I remember you won't like the results.

Again, I don't believe you. You're backpeddling reeks of desperation, because if any of this had a taint of truth, it wouldn't come spilling out when you were taken to task for your lazy fll back to generalizations and just plain bigotry. I'd like to see one of your opening salvos that gleefully illustrates some savage jihadi act that focuses on the particular and not the general.

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here's the thing though; if you want to be known as the religion of peace, shouldn't you be known for doing things that are, oh I don't know, peaceful?

All this rape, torture, slavery, beheading, suicide bombing - all to the calls of Jihad, and allulah Akhbars - are not good for the rep. The fact it's all so widespread, historically consistent, and inducing of power over so many, does not do the 'religion of peace' any favors if being peaceful is the rep they honestly want to be known for. It's reasonable to expect the "religion of peace" to expect some mocking, IMHO.

Funny that, no mention of Medina Islam or Mecca Islam in your opening broadside.

Truth ain't in you.... again.

As for the surveys, well, I'm waiting. I'll live with the results.

[Gunnair]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is no moral equivalency between what is being done in the name of Islam, and what is being done in the name of any other religion. Feel free to accept my challenge and prove me wrong.

Your deflection is desperate. Trying to one up with challenges is ridiculous. Why would anyone take yours up when you tuck tail and run after the first one offered to you?

[Gunnair]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is no moral equivalency between what is being done in the name of Islam, and what is being done in the name of any other religion. Feel free to accept my challenge and prove me wrong.

You think what is being done by the US has no Christian overtones? Really?

Fascinating.

[Public_Domain]

[stratos]

"In God we trust" all others we bomb the heck out of.

[stratos]

With all jokes and labels put on the side here. Could this be more a tribal thing then Muslims going after non-Muslims? I only seen the term Muslim used once but militants was used 2-3 times. Reminds me more of Rawanda style of attacks then Jihad type of attacks.

Just my thoughts on the matter. Back to the baiting and hating.

[Gunnair]

stratos stratos:

"In God we trust" all others we bomb the heck out of.

Quoted for truth.

[jeff744]

stratos stratos:

With all jokes and labels put on the side here. Could this be more a tribal thing then Muslims going after non-Muslims? I only seen the term Muslim used once but militants was used 2-3 times. Reminds me more of Rawanda style of attacks then Jihad type of attacks.

Just my thoughts on the matter. Back to the baiting and hating.

It's one of those things where you have people already willing to fight united by something they have in common. In this case they have religion in common instead of an ethnicity, turn the US into a corrupt and weak 3rd world nation and you would see christian militants burning down mosques and the like.

[Gunnair]

jeff744 jeff744:

stratos stratos:

With all jokes and labels put on the side here. Could this be more a tribal thing then Muslims going after non-Muslims? I only seen the term Muslim used once but militants was used 2-3 times. Reminds me more of Rawanda style of attacks then Jihad type of attacks.

Just my thoughts on the matter. Back to the baiting and hating.

It's one of those things where you have people already willing to fight united by something they have in common. In this case they have religion in common instead of an ethnicity, turn the US into a corrupt and weak 3rd world nation and you would see christian militants burning down mosques and the like.

Frankly, people judge the culture as a whole but label it by one of its parts. Islam preaches no more violence than the Old Testamount - a fact curiously forgotten by many. Middle eastern cultures are still very tribal with centuries old hatreds controlled by totalitarian regimes or royal families. When those regimes break down, as we saw in Afghanistan and Iraq, they're as happy to kill each other as they are westerners. Jihad is a great uniting force to focus hatred onto a foreign entity and away from internal issues such as poverty, corruption, and any other socio-political and economic problem. Kinda like the war on terror does for the west.

Jihad is a great unifyer for hatred. Just like the war on terror.

[jeff744]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Frankly, people judge the culture as a whole but label it by one of its parts. Islam preaches no more violence than the Old Testamount - a fact curiously forgotten by many. Middle eastern cultures are still very tribal with centuries old hatreds controlled by totalitarian regimes or royal families. When those regimes break down, as we saw in Afghanistan and Iraq, they're as happy to kill each other as they are westerners. Jihad is a great uniting force to focus hatred onto a foreign entity and away from internal issues such as poverty, corruption, and any other socio-political and economic problem. Kinda like the war on terror does for the west.

Jihad is a great unifyer for hatred. Just like the war on terror.

The fact alone that Islam managed to unite the region as much as it has is a miracle considering before Islam the region was essentially the Middle Eastern version of Mongolia. Turned them from a backwater into a force that was able to beat Christianity pretty badly for a few centuries. Too many people are comparing a region that is still trying to kill off those highly tribal views to ones where they are populated primarily by one or two groups of people (Europe, North/South America).

[stratos]

$1:

The fact alone that Islam managed to unite the region as much as it has is a miracle considering before Islam the region was essentially the Middle Eastern version of Mongolia.

Actually prior to the Muslim/Islamic invasion much of the Middle East and N. Africa was part of the Roman then Byzantium Empire which was the eastern half of the Roman Empire. When Rome "fell", the Byzantium Empire came in and reasserted control of the chaos that was going on in the region of N. Africa. They the Byzantium Empire, was already in control of the Middle East area be it under the Roman Empire or the Byzantium for around 1000yrs prior to the Muslim invasion.

Not sure if "Muslim invasion" is a proper term but it does fit.

[N_Fiddledog]

Gunnair Gunnair:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is no moral equivalency between what is being done in the name of Islam, and what is being done in the name of any other religion. Feel free to accept my challenge and prove me wrong.

Your deflection is desperate. Trying to one up with challenges is ridiculous. Why would anyone take yours up when you tuck tail and run after the first one offered to you?

Bullshit. I accepted your challenge. I admit, there is no comprehensive survey I know of dealing with all levels of radicalization of all nations and sects of Muslims. I offered to give you studies of localized populations dealing with specific issues of radicalization.

You did not respond, and instead call me coward for my counter-challenge. Ultimately the only way to deal with a name-caller is to respond in kind. So accept my challenge or you're the coward, you coward. There is no moral equivalency between what is done under the endorsement of what I will now call the "Medinites". I challenge you to meet my offer to prove that one way or the other. You won't though, because you're nothing but a gutless, word spinner of false moral equivalency having no factual support.

[Gunnair]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Gunnair Gunnair:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

There is no moral equivalency between what is being done in the name of Islam, and what is being done in the name of any other religion. Feel free to accept my challenge and prove me wrong.

Your deflection is desperate. Trying to one up with challenges is ridiculous. Why would anyone take yours up when you tuck tail and run after the first one offered to you?

Bullshit. I accepted your challenge. I admit, there is no comprehensive survey I know of dealing with all levels of radicalization of all nations and sects of Muslims. I offered to give you studies of localized populations dealing with specific issues of radicalization.

You did not respond, and instead call me coward for my counter-challenge. Ultimately the only way to deal with a name-caller is to respond in kind. So accept my challenge or you're the coward, you coward. There is no moral equivalency between what is done under the endorsement of what I will now call the "Medinites". I challenge you to meet my offer to prove that one way or the other. You won't though, because you're nothing but a gutless, word spinner of false moral equivalency having no factual support.

I did. Read again.