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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:09 pm
 


OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Sad state of affairs when parents are opting for abortion because they want a boy or a girl and we're all afraid to talk about how fucked up that is.


Not all of us are afraid. Its just extremely satisfying to see Harper muzzling Haperites for a change.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:19 pm
 


A back bencher being told he can't speak in a Parliament? ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:53 pm
 


Curtman Curtman:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Sad state of affairs when parents are opting for abortion because they want a boy or a girl and we're all afraid to talk about how fucked up that is.


Not all of us are afraid. Its just extremely satisfying to see Harper muzzling Haperites for a change.


I think it was the wrong move for Harper.

I think it's a discussion Canada needs to have.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:18 pm
 


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That would need to be a pretty tough law, because there would be a lot of pressure on the doc, and not just from people that want to abort. I even wonder if it's legal to withold medical information from a patient.

Also, it's a lot cheaper to just cross the border for an ultrasound than for the abortion itself. Or, vice versa, they can just cross the border to get the abortion.

No easy answer here. Maybe the best is that it's not really that common a practice, and as the immigrants integrate they'll quit doing it.


I think there is a law in BC. A princpile, at least. Our ultrasound tech wouldn't tell us the sex of the baby--against teh rules he said. But for our second child, the tech did tell us (whne we asked).

Kind of pointless, because if you really care to the point of abortion, you can just go down to Washington state to get an ultrasound and find out the sex.





PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:36 pm
 


OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Curtman Curtman:
OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Sad state of affairs when parents are opting for abortion because they want a boy or a girl and we're all afraid to talk about how fucked up that is.


Not all of us are afraid. Its just extremely satisfying to see Harper muzzling Haperites for a change.


I think it was the wrong move for Harper.

I think it's a discussion Canada needs to have.


Harper muzzling conservatives and OTI disagreeing with Harper.

Best topic ever.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:40 pm
 


Curtman Curtman:

Harper muzzling conservatives and OTI disagreeing with Harper.

Best topic ever.


And Curtman being his usual partisan self. :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:43 pm
 


2Cdo 2Cdo:
Curtman Curtman:

Harper muzzling conservatives and OTI disagreeing with Harper.

Best topic ever.


And Curtman being his usual partisan self. :roll:

He's agreeing with Harper. [huh]


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:01 pm
 


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He's agreeing with Harper. [huh]


No he's not Ray, it's just another of his anti-Harper/Conservative posts. Take away this and his pro pot topics and he's a mute.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:04 pm
 


2Cdo 2Cdo:
raydan raydan:
He's agreeing with Harper. [huh]


No he's not Ray, it's just another of his anti-Harper/Conservative posts. Take away this and his pro pot topics and he's a mute.

I know... that was pretty much a tongue-in-cheek comment. :wink:





PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:29 pm
 


raydan raydan:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Curtman Curtman:

Harper muzzling conservatives and OTI disagreeing with Harper.

Best topic ever.


And Curtman being his usual partisan self. :roll:

He's agreeing with Harper. [huh]


I know right! It's like the bizarro universe on CKA today.

It was only a few months ago, that they were handing out medals to anti-abortionists. Harper has finally told one of them to STFU.

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And it's wonderful.





PostPosted: Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:01 pm
 


Conservative revolt reveals fault lines in Stephen Harper’s party: Walkom
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To outsiders, it may seem a monolithic expression of Harper’s will. But it is not. It is a party of factions, bound together only by a common desire to attain and keep political power.
Over the past eight days, three of those factional fault lines have emerged into full public view.
The first is economic. Some Conservatives are true market zealots who view any interference with the workings of demand and supply as anathema.
It was these Conservatives that Small Business Minister Maxime Bernier was speaking to last week when he publicly chastised Finance Minister Jim Flaherty for asking mortgage lender Manulife Financial to raise its bargain-basement rates.
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The second great fault line in the party is moral. On one side are social conservatives. These tend to be anti-abortion, suspicious of gay marriage and favourable to capital punishment.
On the other are those who think the state has no business legislating personal morality.
Harper himself has always been uncomfortable with social conservatives. But in the past he managed to keep them on side — partly by emphasizing law and order and partly by promoting what he has called a moral foreign policy.
It is this melding of morality and realpolitik that explains the Conservative government’s rock-hard support of Israel. It also explains Harper’s decision to appoint an ambassador of religious freedom.
When he first took office, Harper even directed his moral outrage at China, famously hectoring Beijing for its record on human and religious rights. But under pressure from business, that has quietly been dropped.
The third great fissure is over populism. Harper makes no secret of his distaste for populists. He has argued that a political party that panders to the whim of voters ends up standing for nothing.
Yet the Reform Party that eventually became the Harper Conservatives was very much a populist movement, one that believed MPs had a duty to represent the interests of their constituents over the diktats of party brass.
When Conservative MPs Mark Warawa and Leon Benoit complained of backbenchers being muzzled by their own leadership Tuesday, they were articulating a classic Reform position.
The two anti-abortion MPs were also expressing the resentment of social conservatives shut out by Harper.


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